W dniu 05.04.2023 o 05:20, Bill Johnson pisze:
David Crayford said:
”I'm calling BS. None of the challenger banks (Startling, Yolt, Monzo, Moneze,
N26 etc) run mainframes. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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The first internet-only (no real branch offices) bank in Poland ran on
mainframe.
Phil Smith III said:
> It's also quite possible that someone released something with the "wrong"
> name and got a pass, because it was too late to make all the changes...
I'm not going to give a definitive answer (since I don’t have one), but I will
say "That sounds very plausible."
> P.S. re:
(This was a few days ago and got lost in the mess until now, sorry)
Eric Rossman wrote, in part:
>While it usually implies "hardware" when we leave out the slash, that
>is not always the case. zPLX is classified as software ("PL/X on
>System z" is my best take). "IBM z Systems Advanced Workload An
Branding is very tricky. (hardware branding
https://www.ibm.com/downloads/cas/ROXKD4JV, Red Hat/IBM cobranding
https://www.redhat.com/en/about/brand/standards/red-hat-and-ibm-logos, etc)
BTW, despite posting this using my IBM email, I'm posting this using only
externally visible documentation.
Michael Schmitt wrote:
>Anyone have an idea of what the actual name of zPLX is?
No, but if it's "zPLX", that means IBM considers it hardware. Software would be
"z/PLX".
Besides being pedantic, this is an interesting distinction here: some stuff,
e.g., zAware, that seems like it's software is
I'm guessing this is PL/X for z/OS.
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Then what
rampant speculation of course, and I would not expect IBM to admit or
deny it.
Peter
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Then what do you call the current version?
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Then what do you call the current version?
For example, z/OS 2.4 LE module CEEBINT was compiled on 3/12/2019 w
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Schmitt, Michael asked, re PL/X:
>Then what do you call the current version?
Looks like PL/X might still be the name, though this is hardly a very
complete page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_P
Schmitt, Michael asked, re PL/X:
>Then what do you call the current version?
Looks like PL/X might still be the name, though this is hardly a very
complete page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PL/S
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I remember IBM charging and then refunding for PartnerWorld.
I passed on PLX: did not see commit
I remember IBM charging and then refunding for PartnerWorld.
I passed on PLX: did not see committing to an unsupported language that might
be withdrawn at any time (as it was).
IBM should open source PL/X 390. Hardly would give away their secret sauce at
this point! PL/X 390 -- not current PL/X
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> The language I'd be interested in is PL/X 390.
~1992 (don't hold me to that date), IBM announced that PartnerWorld was now
pay-to-play, $5K/year. We gritted our teeth and ponied up. One of the
benefits of the new scheme was that you could now get
y for what you use.
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The language I'd be interested in is PL/X 390.
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I actually always liked C, maybe because its original simplicity
reminded me of Assembler. I mean, what other language can you goof up a
length value
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OK, I’ll rephrase. Modern C++ is one of the most modern programming languages
in use today. C compatibility is in the past. C++20 introduced modules and
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I actually always liked C, maybe because its original simplicity reminded me of
Assembler. I mean, what other la
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I actually always liked C, maybe because its original simplicity reminded me of
Assembler. I mean, what other language can you goof up a length value or
pointer and overwrite a bunch of other data areas by mis
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OK, I’ll rephrase. Modern C++ is one of the m
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It's widely acknowledged that C++20 is one of the most cont
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> I, OTOH, was appalled by C ever since it came out, much preferring PL/I.
Certainly, the reasons for PL/I's failure are su
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I actually always liked C, maybe because its original simplicity
reminded me of Assembler. I mean, what other language can you goof up a
length value or pointer and overwrite a bunch of other data areas by
mistake? Oh
I actually always liked C, maybe because its original simplicity
reminded me of Assembler. I mean, what other language can you goof up a
length value or pointer and overwrite a bunch of other data areas by
mistake? Oh yeah, Assembler!
On 4/2/2023 9:29 PM, Clem Clarke wrote:
In my mind, Gary
In my mind, Gary Kildall was a genius. Not only for his operating
systems, but he also had PL/I running on PCs when everyone else said it
was impossible. Now, we are stuck with "C".
Also, Kildall had a GUI called GEM out years before Windows.
Unfortunately, the same man that effectively kille
The terms of the contract with ALL the computer customers was if he
dropped his price to one vendor, he would have to refund the
difference to all other vendors. And his 8086 was not ready yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kildall
On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 8:03 AM Jay Maynard wrote:
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> I'm
Yep. I about fell off my barstool when I first heard about that.
(sorry...too soon?)
On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 9:03 AM Jay Maynard wrote:
> I'm not so sure about Kildall...anyone who snubs a business meeting with
> IBM to go flying (a worthy endeavor in and of itself) isn't businessman
> enough to
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I'm not so sure about Kildall...anyone who snubs a business meeting with
IBM to go flying (a worthy endeavor in and of its
I'm not a "Micrsoft-basher" and I am not a huge fan of Steve's, but it should
be pointed out that the "went flying instead of meeting with IBM" is a version
of the story popularized by Bill Gates.
Dorothy was the one who typically handled vendor negotiations. Gary went on a
business trip to del
I'm not so sure about Kildall...anyone who snubs a business meeting with
IBM to go flying (a worthy endeavor in and of itself) isn't businessman
enough to compete with Jobs and Gates.
On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 3:05 AM Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
> Very interesting if one-sided interview. He gives Stev
Very interesting if one-sided interview. He gives Steve Wozniak very little
credit although Woz really was the inventor and Jobs the salesman in the
partnership.
I read Sculley's autobiography many years ago (From Pepsi to Apple). It
doesn't describe events quite the same way.
Nevertheless, good
A friend shared this with me and I thought it was just extraordinary. It is not
"mainframe" but his comments on what happens when the marketeers run a tech
company will resonate with many of us. It’s a fairly long read. It’s a
transcript of a long interview done for a TV show – only a few minute
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