Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA

2017-05-19 Thread Nims,Alva John (Al)
) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pinnacle Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 3:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA For those of you who always laughed when I said read your HOLD(DOC

Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA

2017-05-19 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Of John Eells Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 5:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > Whether ACTION or DOC, these instructions need to be qualified many times > over. IBM occasionally PEs a PTF over some problem with HOL

Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA

2017-05-19 Thread John Eells
Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: Whether ACTION or DOC, these instructions need to be qualified many times over. IBM occasionally PEs a PTF over some problem with HOLD data--usually when it's missing. There may be nothing wrong with the code, just the packaging and accompanying--or not--documentation.

Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA

2017-05-18 Thread Tom Conley
Point of clarity here. When SMP/E added the HOLDDATA report, they added the ability to exclude any category, and many sysprogs immediately excluded DOC, thinking they were a waste of time to look at. Whenever I talked about looking at ALL HOLDDATA, even the DOCs, because sometimes it's

Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA

2017-05-18 Thread Pommier, Rex
2017 3:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA On Thu, 18 May 2017 20:26:03 +, Pommier, Rex wrote: >I would prefer it be an action hold rather than a doc hold in this case. It isn't either/or. Sometimes it is appropriate to have both a DOC and an ACTION

Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA

2017-05-18 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 18 May 2017 20:26:03 +, Pommier, Rex wrote: >I would prefer it be an action hold rather than a doc hold in this case. It isn't either/or. Sometimes it is appropriate to have both a DOC and an ACTION hold. -- Tom Marchant

Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA

2017-05-18 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
1:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA On Thu, 18 May 2017 14:14:10 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Can IBM repair this even after the fact? I know SMPHOLD may contain >++HOLD ... ACTION. But I doubt that LIST ERRSYSMODS will show it, Do yo

Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA

2017-05-18 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 18 May 2017 14:14:10 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Can IBM repair this even after the fact? I know SMPHOLD may contain >++HOLD ... ACTION. But I doubt that LIST ERRSYSMODS will show it, Do you mean LIST HOLDERROR? or perhaps REPORT ERRSYSMODS? Either way, it will not. Doc and Action

Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA

2017-05-18 Thread Pommier, Rex
- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 3:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA This is a swampy area captured in the caveat 'perform these steps if you choose to use

Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA

2017-05-18 Thread Tom Conley
On 5/18/2017 4:00 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: This is a swampy area captured in the caveat 'perform these steps if you choose to use it'. If a shop has not already RDEFINEd MVS.MCSOPER.* with elaborate profile support in place, blandly issuing these commands as documented would immediately

Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA

2017-05-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2017-05-18, at 14:01, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > This is a swampy area captured in the caveat 'perform these steps if you > choose to use it'. > Ugh. On 2017-05-18, at 13:10, Burrell, Todd wrote: > Well this really should have been labeled as HOLD(ACTION).And I usually > look through

Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA

2017-05-18 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
):Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA Well this really should have been labeled as HOLD(ACTION).And I usually look through the DOC for stuff like this, but I've never seen something quite so egregious. Todd Burrell | Sr. Mainframe Systems Administrator CSX Technologies| 550 Water St. (634I

Re: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA

2017-05-18 Thread Burrell, Todd
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pinnacle Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 3:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Mischaracterized HOLDDATA For those of you who always laughed when I said read your HOLD(DOC) for buried HOLD

Mischaracterized HOLDDATA

2017-05-18 Thread Pinnacle
For those of you who always laughed when I said read your HOLD(DOC) for buried HOLD(ACTION) items. Here it is kids, so for those of you who still ignore HOLD(DOC), keep telling yourselves that you're saving time and I'm crazy for looking at HOLD(DOC). ++HOLD(UI43841) SYSTEM FMID(HSMA21A)