On 1/28/2013 11:29 AM, John McKown wrote:
I don't know much about Information Center. But I would likely be
tempted to use wget or curl to clone the entire web site. Probably not
within IBM's terms of service, but there are ways to "slow down" the
cloning so that it does not swamp the site. Howev
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:04:32 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>Re reader comment form: Yeah, you're right. I see the problem as hopeless.
>
>IDCAMS = AMS -- no problem with that. My confusion was over finding
>documentation for deleting the members of a PDS under "AMS for Catalogs."
>
Somewhat analog
13-02
z/OSV1R10 DFSMS Advanced Copy Services SC35-0428-14
Charles
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The problem for me starts with the incredibly inconsist
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Anciently, there was help in addressing the sort of problem Charles
confronted. One consulted the relevant high-quality master index,
which told one which publications treated a topic and provided the
page numbers of these treatments.
Master indices have not been eliminated definitively, but IBM
I have now read CM's 2nd post, that of "1:28 PM".
I agree
o that titles should me more meaningful,
o that they should be standardized, and
o that 'advanced' is not a helpful adjective.
I am not, however, sure that stereotypy is always bad. Terms like
"User's Guide" andf "Language Reference" a
ht on my part.) Assuming I am not confused on
"BookManager" shelves going away, how does one now do an "all-bookshelf"
search? Only via the Web?
Charles
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Yes, google search does somewhar well. Better than the IBM's site search.
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
> However, the search feature only works on "BookManager" type shelves, not
> "Extended" (which is what the rest of the world calls "PDF") shelves. I
> understand that
Mike,
Yeah, I always heard there was a knack to reading IBM manuals.
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On Jan 27, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
> Yes, google search does somewhar w
Charles Mills wrote:
The problem for me starts with the incredibly inconsistent titling, which
causes the manual titles to sort in no meaningful sequence, making it doubly
hard to find the relevant manual. Many of the IBM bookshelves have this
problem, but DFSMS is IMHO the worst.
Look at the
John Eels has, as usual, said something sensible.
GIYF is never bad advice, and here it is apposite, but it is also
perilously close to a counsel of dispair. Surely some order---and if
not order coherent disorder--can be introduced into the titles of
IBM's technical publications.
The problem was
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Charles Mills wrote:
> The problem for me starts with the incredibly inconsistent titling, which
> caus
IBM
could monitor what you read and provide you customized information (i.e.
ads).
Don
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XKS or eXtended shelf search when the individual content has been indexed with
the
ALS (advanced linguistic search), does work well as it follows many of the
patterns as
the BookManager search.
The problem is getting everyone to ALS index each component pub that goes out
in PDF form.
We now
I don't know much about Information Center. But I would likely be
tempted to use wget or curl to clone the entire web site. Probably not
within IBM's terms of service, but there are ways to "slow down" the
cloning so that it does not swamp the site. However, once I had done
that, I don't really kno
On 1/28/2013 10:29 AM, John McKown wrote:
I don't know much about Information Center. But I would likely be
tempted to use wget or curl to clone the entire web site. Probably not
within IBM's terms of service, but there are ways to "slow down" the
cloning so that it does not swamp the site. Howev
From: Don Williams
Date: 01/28/2013 12:10 PM
I admit it, I'm lazy. I love the entire bookshelf search feature.
However,
more and more books are available only in PDF format. I'm unhappy
(stronger
words would need to censored) that I cannot search an entire extended
bookshelf on my on PC
How did you get the pages? Is there a "zip" file available from IBM.
Or did you some some method to "clone" the actual site?
What I would _love_ is for IBM to maintain the site in such a way as
to allow others to easily "clone" it, as well as "freshen" their
"clone". OK, what I would like is a sta
No need to curl or wget.
The entire sk3t4271 latest edition is downloadable from the Pubs Center.
Each "pkit" (you'd think of them as xks or bks) is also downloadable SEPARATELY
from the Pubs Center if you prefer to mix and match.
You will need a "modern" zip utility for the full thing (what wa
Many thanks!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Kevin Minerley wrote:
> No need to curl or wget.
>
> The entire sk3t4271 latest edition is downloadable from the Pubs Center.
>
> Each "pkit" (you'd think of them as xks or bks) is also downloadable
> SEPARATELY from the Pubs Center if you prefer to
Hum, I can't find a place to order a "pkit", only individual
publications. And, not to come across as cheap (tho I am), the main
site seems to indicate that I'll need to pay for the manuals.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 1:35 PM, John McKown
wrote:
> Many thanks!
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Ke
I did mention if you need the order number for a particular PKIT to email me ;-)
PKIT order numbers were not published until this year.
They are usually free for the download (physical media, if available, would be
a charge -- most
do NOT have physical media these days).
For example, the popul
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From: Don Williams
Date: 01/28/2013 12:10 PM
I admit it, I'm lazy. I love the entire bookshelf sear
Bet if you tried it on only the z/OS V1R13.0 MVS PDFs SK3T427530 PDF shelf (or
others
among the "classic" elements and some of the features), you will find the
search almost
as fast as the BookManager search as they are indexed.
Most "applications" are not (yet)
Kevin Minerley
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Hi John,
I employ the same strategy you related. Google seems to do quite well with the
question format. When Google doesn't give the results I want, I add
site:IBM.com or site:redbooks.IBM.com on to the search.
Linda
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On Jan 28, 2013, at 6:57 AM, John Eells wrote:
> Ch
The series are more-or-less cumulative within a given release at the BCP level,
so using
the r13 is probably fine for the MVS shelf.
LE probably has the COBOL (at a later level)
PKIT Pubno: SK3T428918
Title : z/OS V1R13.0 Language Environment PDFs
As for CICS/TS
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:07:29 -0600, Kevin Minerley wrote:
>The series are more-or-less cumulative within a given release at the BCP
>level, so using
>the r13 is probably fine for the MVS shelf.
>
Quick, quick! If you're at 1.12 (as we are), how do you find the HLASM Language
Reference, which i
Funny about HLASM, crucial book but sometimes hard to find.
Fortunatlely, it should be, assuming you want the reference, downloadable at
the Pubs Center
searching on : SC26-4940-05
If you need more context, all of these PKITs contain the above and other
related information
germane to HLASM:
Kevin Minerly's notion of searching on the publication number for the
HLASM LR has some but not a lot of merit.
One needs to but does not always know that number; and for the HLASM
there is the problem that documents for version 1.6 of the HLASM have
the document number suffix -05. Fortunately,
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:10:32 -0600, Kevin Minerley wrote:
>Funny about HLASM, crucial book but sometimes hard to find.
>
Ha ha ha. I'm laughing.
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On 28 January 2013 13:03, Don Williams wrote:
> I admit it, I'm lazy. I love the entire bookshelf search feature. However,
> more and more books are available only in PDF format. I'm unhappy (stronger
> words would need to censored) that I cannot search an entire extended
> bookshelf on my on P
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:10:52 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
>
>The funny part is that Google Desktop still works just fine if it's
>already installed, and you can even install it on a new system, but
>there's no more Google support. And of course who knows what security
>holes there may be...
>
>Ton
I guess in the past IBM was using DCF for their z series
documentation. Apparently they are getting away from this. Out of
curiosity, does anybody know what tool they are using now to create
the "Information Center" abomination?
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On 1/28/2013 7:17 AM, John McKown wrote:
I guess in the past IBM was using DCF for their z series
documentation. Apparently they are getting away from this. Out of
curiosity, does anybody know what tool they are using now to create
the "Information Center" abomination?
All IBM documentation is
Many thanks!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Edward Jaffe
wrote:
> On 1/28/2013 7:17 AM, John McKown wrote:
>>
>> I guess in the past IBM was using DCF for their z series
>> documentation. Apparently they are getting away from this. Out of
>> curiosity, does anybody know what tool they are using
Much zOS legacy doc was in a proprietary SGML (IBMIDDoc). Now a high
percentage is in DITA to align with
corporate direction.
BookMaster and Script/DCF are long gone (mostly) for over a decade. Some
program directories
and few of the ancient LPS show that lineage.
Script/DCF was divested to R
k60ek...@us.ibm.com (Kevin Minerley) writes:
> Much zOS legacy doc was in a proprietary SGML (IBMIDDoc). Now a high
> percentage is in DITA to align with corporate direction.
>
> BookMaster and Script/DCF are long gone (mostly) for over a decade.
> Some program directories and few of the ancient L
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