Re: One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2014-01-02 Thread Rouse, Willie
Come on Warren...I've heard that story 50 times already :-) Happy New Year Willie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Warren Brown Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 2:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: One

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2014-01-02 Thread Kirk Talman
1 - PDP stood for personal data processor. The PDP-1 was advertised w/a teddy bear which I believe was delivered with it. So it depends how big your desk was. 2 - In the 1960s @ Oak Ridge it was common to order equipment, including computers, by adding parts of the product specs into the bid

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2014-01-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 13:31:27 -0500, Kirk Talman wrote: $)C1 - PDP stood for personal data processor. The PDP-1 was advertised w/a teddy bear which I believe was delivered with it. So it depends how big your desk was. Programmed Data Processor, I heard at MIT circa 1962. 2 - In the 1960s @ Oak

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2014-01-02 Thread John Gilmore
Kurt Talman wrote | 1 - PDP stood for personal data processor. John McCarthy insisted that it was an acronym for Programmed Data Processor and objected to it as all but vacuous, too generic because it described any computer. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

Re: ó One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2014-01-02 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In ofca19006c.9b43266e-on85257c54.006478fb-85257c54.0065c...@tsys.com, on 01/02/2014 at 01:31 PM, Kirk Talman rkueb...@tsys.com said: PDP stood for personal data processor. Programmable. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2014-01-01 Thread Warren Brown
Actually, there was a desktop computer called GENIAC which came out in 1955.  Quite crude but it worked fine.  I got an unmolested one off ebay about a year ago.  I first saw one when I was an IBM CE in the sixties. Heathkit had an analog computer in 1956.  Again I got one off ebay two years

Re: ¢† One day , a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2014-01-01 Thread Randy Hudson
In article p06240802cee6934cf57b@[192.168.1.11], Robert A. Rosenberg IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU wrote: [Arthur C Clarke] also invented/predicted the synchronous satellite being used for communications. I saw a picture of him at a Science Fiction Convention wearing a T-Shirt which read I

Re: One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1388417488.11875.16.camel@localhost, on 12/30/2013 at 10:31 AM, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com said: Though the wikipedia article doesn't mention it, my recollection is that Magnuson's M80 system was microprogrammable by the user. Anybody remember/use that? Remember. -- Shmuel

Re: One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In m3zjnjsodg@garlic.com, on 12/29/2013 at 09:50 AM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said: note that (at least low-end and mid-range) 360s 370s were emulation on some native microprocessor ... so 5100 wasn't all that different. The data paths on the 2030, 2040, 2050, 2065 and 2085

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread David Andrews
On Sun, 2013-12-29 at 09:50 -0500, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: total kernel time ... moved to microcode gained approx. 72% of kernel time. Though the wikipedia article doesn't mention it, my recollection is that Magnuson's M80 system was microprogrammable by the user. Anybody remember/use that?

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread David Andrews
On Sun, 2013-12-29 at 14:30 -0600, Andy Wood wrote: HP called it a calculator rather than a computer as a marketing ploy Heh. Bob Brigham once told me that the Bell System made electronic switching systems (ESS) because they were prohibited from marketing computers. -- David Andrews A. Duda

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread Scott Ford
David, I remember the magnuson, it was PCM for IBM s/370s, I *think*.. Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 30, 2013, at 10:31 AM, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com wrote: On Sun, 2013-12-29 at 09:50 -0500, Anne Lynn Wheeler

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread DASDBILL2
In 1974, when that video was taped, a desk would fit on a computer.  :-) Bill Fairchild - Original Message - From: Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 8:26:12 AM Subject: Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) -

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread Tony Harminc
On 30 December 2013 10:31, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com wrote: Though the wikipedia article doesn't mention it, my recollection is that Magnuson's M80 system was microprogrammable by the user. Anybody remember/use that? Much earlier the 370/165 and /168 had a Load MicroProgram

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread zMan
That could make for some VERY interesting results from a bad branch...maybe that's why modern PCs sometimes wedge to the point of needing a power cycle: they've reimplemented this technology! :-D On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: On 30 December 2013 10:31,

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread David Andrews
On Mon, 2013-12-30 at 14:55 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote: Much earlier the 370/165 and /168 had a Load MicroProgram instruction that loaded microcode from main storage. X'B9', iirc. Used by OLTEP tests, I think. I have a hazy memory of the /145 having a similar instruction (possibly a variant of

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Ed Gould wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTdWQAKzESA My, oh my! Thanks Ed. That bold claim came true at all! ;-) Nice vid, I must admit! Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Charles Mills
It shows how hard it is to predict the distant future. Predictions either come sooner than predicted, or not at all. The Altair 8800 was only one year away; the TRS-80 only three years distant. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: ? One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Binyamin Dissen
He also predicted home networking. That was quite a while later. On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 09:26:12 -0500 Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: :It shows how hard it is to predict the distant future. Predictions either come sooner than predicted, or not at all. The Altair 8800 was only one year

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
edgould1...@comcast.net (Ed Gould) writes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTdWQAKzESA IBM 5100 1973 at Palo Alto Science Center http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_5100 enuf of 1130 emulation to run apl\1130 (SCAMP) product out in 1978 was enuf of 360 emulation (on PALM) to run apl\360 note

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Andy Wood
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 09:50:03 -0500, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com wrote: IBM 5100 1973 at Palo Alto Science Center http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_5100 Besides the IBM 5100, there were other desktop machines that could be called computers. Two that I personally encountered were the

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 14:30:52 -0600, Andy Wood wrote: Some may say that the HP 9100 was only a calculator, but Bill Hewlett himself supposedly said that HP called it a calculator rather than a computer as a marketing ploy (knowing that potential customers could more easily justify the purchase

Re: ¢† One day , a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-29 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 15:28 -0600 on 12/29/2013, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: ’ñ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - You: In context of that video, the HP 9100 is particularly significant - Athur C. Clarke had been presented with one by HP in 1970. Is that Clarke? I'm not entirely familiar

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-28 Thread Warren Brown
AMAZING From: Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 7:08 PM Subject: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTdWQAKzESA