Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-24 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Robert S. Hansel (RSH) wrote: >Restricting access to the RACF database is essential, but it isn't enough to >save you if the database is not allocated as unmovable. DFSMSdss' data >management utility ADRDSSU, when used with the ADMINISTRATOR keyword, ignores >dataset profiles and can perform

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-24 Thread Robert S. Hansel (RSH)
:52 + From:"Burrell, Todd" <todd_burr...@csx.com> Subject: Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP) Wouldn't a simpler solution to protecting the RACF database simply be to give pretty much no one ALTER access to it? I know that at most shops

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-23 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Radoslaw Skorupka Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-23 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
RACF A/S can be easily stopped using STOP command (not an MVS STOP, it is @STOP). It also can be started again as well. The only cost is "address space unavailable" issue. Of course *properly protected* RACF db cannot be moved or deleted, due to lack of authorities. No one should have even

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-23 Thread Burrell, Todd
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP) I have not tried this, but IBM supplies a RACF started task whose purpose is to issue RACF commands via a console. As supplied, the RACF STC has no DDs, but I suppose you could add one for the primary and maybe

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-23 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
: (External):Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP) On Mon, 22 May 2017 17:44:16 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote: >RECFM PSU may prevent moving the database, but it doesn't block >deletion. After realizing this somewhat-essential data set wasn't >protected by a

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-23 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 4:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP) On Mon, 22 May 2017 17:44:16 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote: >RECFM PSU

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-23 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 23 May 2017 12:27:10 -0400, Tony Harminc (t...@harminc.net) wrote about "Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)" (in

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-23 Thread Tony Harminc
On 22 May 2017 at 12:57, Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > ... In any case, a SAF product has to be available extremely early in > IPL, ... > > > How does ACF2, based on VSAM, meet this requirement of early availability? > The same way it would if ACF2

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-23 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Tue, 23 May 2017 07:30:02 -0500, John McKown wrote: >On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson >wrote: > >> Brief war story. Long before "z/OS", someone accidentally deleted (!!!) >> the primary RACF data base. It was not

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-23 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
John McKown wrote: >>Long before "z/OS", someone accidentally deleted (!!!) the primary RACF data >>base. >> Could not have done that with VSAM. ;-) >​Been there. Done that. Beat up the programmer. I hope he survived your cruel beating, because if he did the same error on the BACKUP RACF DB,

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-23 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson > Sent: 23 May, 2017 0:18 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using > NJE/TCPIP)

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-23 Thread John McKown
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > Brief war story. Long before "z/OS", someone accidentally deleted (!!!) > the primary RACF data base. It was not enqueued on as previously noted. > Data was intact and the system hummed along, but there was no

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 22 May 2017 17:44:16 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote: >RECFM PSU may prevent moving the database, but it doesn't block >deletion. After realizing this somewhat-essential data set wasn't >protected by an enqueue, we picked an installation started task that was >normally running all the time

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 22 May 2017 09:21:48 -0400, Robert S. Hansel (RSH) wrote: > >... then immediately closes them. > Why? Does it also FREE then? Why? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-22 Thread Joel C. Ewing
Kown > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:03 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: (External):Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer > using NJE/TCPIP) > > On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Robert S. Hansel (RSH) < > r.han...@rshconsulting.com> wrote: &

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-22 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
ay, May 22, 2017 7:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP) On Sun, 21 May 2017 14:19:39 -0500, Paul Gilmartin <paulgboul...@aim.com> wrote: >On Sun, 21 May 2017 05:12:00 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wro

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-22 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David W Noon Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP) On Mon, 22 May 2017 10:57:26 -0600, Paul Gilmartin

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-22 Thread David W Noon
On Mon, 22 May 2017 10:57:26 -0600, Paul Gilmartin (000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)" (in <507b5253-a062-4547-91f6-3de9e6f3b...@aim.com>): On 2017-05-22, at 10:01, Jesse

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2017-05-22, at 10:01, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > ... Nonetheless ACF2, based on VSAM, was well established ... > > ... In any case, a SAF product has to be available extremely early in IPL, > ... > How does ACF2, based on VSAM, meet this requirement of early availability? -- gil

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-22 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP) On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Robert S. Hansel (RSH) < r.han...@rshconsulting.

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-22 Thread John McKown
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Robert S. Hansel (RSH) < r.han...@rshconsulting.com> wrote: > Gil, > > The RACF database is BDAM (Basic Direct Access Method) and has, to my > knowledge, always been so since it was first released in 1976. The index > records are stored in the database with the

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-22 Thread Walt Farrell
On Sun, 21 May 2017 14:19:39 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >On Sun, 21 May 2017 05:12:00 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: >> >>>RACF (I'm less sure) is VSAM. >> >>No, it is PSU (PS and Unmovable). Other attributes are mandated by IBM. >> >"Unmovable" would seem to imply

Re: RACF Database (was: Sample JCL for file transfer using NJE/TCPIP)

2017-05-22 Thread Robert S. Hansel (RSH)
Gil, The RACF database is BDAM (Basic Direct Access Method) and has, to my knowledge, always been so since it was first released in 1976. The index records are stored in the database with the profile (data) records, so it is completely self-contained. I know of no other product using this