AGREED! (in spades!)
snip
The question at hand is why IBM would completely remove access to a working,
proven method of research and knowledge verification of *reference* material
for the experienced practitioners in the field, in favor of a new and yet
unproven technique that does not
Of Gibney, Dave
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:23 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: publibz-infocenter-knowledgecenter
I have never seen a PoOP in Bookmanager format. I would submit it as an
exception (proving the rule:) PDF has it's uses. Printing and reading larger
sections
Having made disparaging remarks about the charts in the PoOP,
with reference to Bookmaster, I must say that in looking at the
version of the manual, from the link below, it is much much
better than the copy I had originally seen. I have not read
everything, but I have looked at ART and DAT
In 549ab499026d0017d...@prv-mh.provo.novell.com, on 12/24/2014
at 10:42 AM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com said:
A quick Google search turned up this:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/3-pdf-document-management-tools-organizing-research/
How many of those tools will extract the document title and
]
On Behalf Of Steve Thompson
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On 12/23/2014 01:47 PM, Alan Altmark wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:33:06 -0500, Mike Shaw
techsupp...@quickref.com wrote:
Knowledge Center
Gibney, Dave wrote:
This represents the first two comments I've seen claiming the demise of
Bookmanager to be a good thing. Versus some rather large number of us who are
resigned to a bad decision on the part of IBM.
Since I am still on z/OS 1.13 which still has Bookmanager format manuals,
On 12/24/2014 03:35 AM, Gibney, Dave wrote:
This represents the first two comments I've seen claiming the demise of
Bookmanager to be a good thing. Versus some rather large number of us who are
resigned to a bad decision on the part of IBM.
SNIPPAGE
Unless I've gotten things very confused
: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:47 PM
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Subject: Re: publibz-infocenter-knowledgecenter
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:33:06 -0500, Mike Shaw techsupp...@quickref.com wrote:
Knowledge Center is IT from now on, boys and girls.
We're not happy about it either.
There are a lot
Subject: Re: publibz-infocenter-knowledgecenter
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:33:06 -0500, Mike Shaw techsupp...@quickref.com
wrote:
Knowledge Center is IT from now on, boys and girls.
We're not happy about it either.
There are a lot of bytes still to go under the bridge.
What has happened is some
On 12/19/2014 at 09:59 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
Yes, but what tools are available to manage and organize the
downloaded books? We need an equivalent to the old bookshelves and the
programs that used them, preferably for Linux or z/OS.
A quick Google
or nothing aspect.
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On Behalf Of Steve Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 5:14 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: publibz-infocenter-knowledgecenter
On 12/24/2014 03:35 AM
In 54943155.4070...@trainersfriend.com, on 12/19/2014
at 07:08 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com said:
On 12/19/2014 6:09 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:04:01 -0500, Hobart Spitz wrote:
Have you tried
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/library
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:33:06 -0500, Mike Shaw techsupp...@quickref.com wrote:
Knowledge Center is IT from now on, boys and girls.
We're not happy about it either.
There are a lot of bytes still to go under the bridge.
What has happened is some sort of culture shift in the way people (younger
Yes, but what tools are available to manage and organize the
downloaded books? We need an equivalent to the old bookshelves and the
programs that used them, preferably for Linux or z/OS.
Unfortunately, I don't know. I try to cope with the new lack of
bookshelves by organizing my PDFs into
, December 23, 2014 11:51 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: publibz-infocenter-knowledgecenter
Yes, but what tools are available to manage and organize the
downloaded books? We need an equivalent to the old bookshelves and the
programs that used them, preferably for Linux or z/OS
On 12/23/2014 01:47 PM, Alan Altmark wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:33:06 -0500, Mike Shaw techsupp...@quickref.com wrote:
Knowledge Center is IT from now on, boys and girls.
We're not happy about it either.
SNIPPAGE
But it all has to go. BookManager drove me crazy with all the hierarchical
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:59:18 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
I'd say bring back BookMaster and BookManager, but I know it won't
happen. I wish that there were a BookMaster clone for Linux.
And I left a KnowledgeCenter page up in a browser while I did something
else. When I returned to
In
caferoigrylcgrneqrrstd3cpz5k+r74kjzn4otmedhheg-1...@mail.gmail.com,
on 12/18/2014
at 05:37 PM, Roger Bolan rogerbo...@gmail.com said:
The documentation itself is available in the new IBM Knowledge Center
and you can download PDF format for the books.
Yes, but what tools are available to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:04:01 -0500, Hobart Spitz wrote:
Have you tried
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/library
?
OS390? Seriously?
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On 12/19/2014 6:09 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:04:01 -0500, Hobart Spitz wrote:
Have you tried
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/library
?
OS390? Seriously?
But did you follow the link? Browse Shelves takes you to a
list of pdf bookshelves that
Yes. If you've tried the new doc site and know how hard it is to get
information from it, you wouldn't be asking.
I am still amazed how often people restructure documents, web sites, etc.
in the name of improvement without taking into account all the people who
have learned to deal with the
trail -- tiến len !!!
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Of Hobart Spitz
Sent: Friday, 19 December, 2014 09:34
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: publibz-infocenter-knowledgecenter
Yes. If you've tried the new doc site
I know this is going to sound like a broken record.
The new tools from IBM are neither as reliable, available, nor as usable as
the tools they replace!
snip
yeah, now you're talking: and there's a technical term for it too: COGNITIVE
LOCKOUT RAGE == just when you've finally mastered all the
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:08:21 -0700, Steve Comstock wrote:
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/library
?
OS390? Seriously?
But did you follow the link? Browse Shelves takes you to a
list of pdf bookshelves that include z/OS V2R1.
The operant qualifier is PDF. I must
On 12/19/2014 8:33 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:08:21 -0700, Steve Comstock wrote:
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/library
?
OS390? Seriously?
But did you follow the link? Browse Shelves takes you to a
list of pdf bookshelves that include z/OS V2R1.
On 12/18/2014 7:37 PM, Roger Bolan wrote:
I don't think IBM is even creating the kind of bookshelves we're familiar
with anymore. At least, not for everything.
Knowledge Center is IT from now on, boys and girls.
We're not happy about it either.
Mike Shaw
MVS/QuickRef Support Group
Have you tried
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/library
?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Paul Gilmartin
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
Curse you, Red Baron!
My bookmark to publibz/z/OS documentation redirected for a
while to a similar
I don't think IBM is even creating the kind of bookshelves we're familiar
with anymore. At least, not for everything.
For example, if I go to the Publications Center and search for PSF
Bookshelf (without the quotes), I get a list that includes bookshelves for
PSF V3R1 through V4R4, but the
Curse you, Red Baron!
My bookmark to publibz/z/OS documentation redirected for a
while to a similar infocenter shelf list; later to a knowledgecenter
shelflist. Now it redirects to the knowledgecenter storefront.
What's a quick link to this week's z/OS v2r1 software shelflist?
(was:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:56:22 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
Curse you, Red Baron!
Seriously.
Under the nav frame in http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/
I find TOC-IBM Operating Systems-System z Operating Systems-z/OS-2.1.0
so buried in Javascript that I don't know what it's trying to
What's a quick link to this week's z/OS v2r1 software shelflist?
Bring back LOOKAT!
...and bring back BookMaster and BookServer as well.
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