Re: I/O Overhead - z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Marcy Cortes
Do you have Reed Mullen's presentation? I can't remember where I saw it last, but it covers the different flavors of virtualization. There was also another at SHARE in Aug that compared/contrasted the various kinds of virtualizatoin. Marcy Cortes Team Lead, Enterprise Virtualization - z/VM

Re: Reliability of SFS?

2008-11-01 Thread Kris Buelens
Rob, you must be getting old: still writing EXEC1 or EXEC2 code;-) - EXEC1 read continiously from disk - EXEC2 had a buffer (could store the whole EXEC by coding &BUFFER *) But, REXX execs are completely loaded in storage before execution starts. Apart from that I share your thoughts: CMS waits to

Re: Value added by z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Alan Ackerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ideas on what value z/VM adds would be appreciated! Starting point should be the presentations that Reed Mullen does at various events on the value of z/VM for running Linux workloads, and the comparison between z/VM and o

Re: What's on a tape?

2008-11-01 Thread David Boyes
TAPEMAP. Should be available on any of the VM Workshop tapes; won't report density correctly on post-3490 drives, but will produce a summary report of just about everything else you might need. Contact me offlist if you can't find a copy. > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operatin

Re: I/O Overhead - z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Edward M Martin
Could you send a copy to me, or list the link? Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 ext 40441 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danny Padilla Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:50 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK

Re: What's on a tape?

2008-11-01 Thread Fran Hensler
I have version 3.066 dated 1998-06-04 on my download page: http://zvm.sru.edu/~download /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 45 years mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh +1.724.738.2153 "Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock" ---

Re: Value added by z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Rick Troth
Alan -- What Rob said. (Which I know that you know, but which bears repeating and deserves to be heard by your architect.) Don't make out like z/VM is a silver bullet, but be clear that z/VM is a powerful weapon in his arsenal. Also: I like to draw illustrations from other platforms. Even the m

Re: I/O Overhead - z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Rick Troth
I recommend use of the term "insertion loss" instead of "overhead". The term comes from telecomm. The affect arises from any number of JUSTIFIED additions to a transmission line which naturally introduce attenuation of the signal. Add a noise filter? It will reduce noise (which you want) but it

Re: What's on a tape?

2008-11-01 Thread A. Harry Williams
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:42:54 -0400 Wayne T Smith said: >I've been asked to figure out what we have in our inventory of VM and >VSE tapes, in preparation for moving to "new" drives/media. > >I'm expecting to write a PIPE that will do the required summary, more or >less iterating to a final solution

Re: What's on a tape?

2008-11-01 Thread Fran Hensler
TBROWSE was indeed written by Yossie Silverman but it is now maintained by Rick Bourgeois - [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] of Virtual Software Systems, Inc. I now have it on my download page at: http://zvm.sru.edu/~download /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for

Re: Value added by z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Barton Robinson
One thing that really bothers me about VMWARE. When I ask about performance to the people that measure, they tell me the VMWARE contract specifically states they are not allowed to talk about it's performance. A vendor that won't let people talk about performance must be very afraid details wi

Re: Value added by z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Dave Wade
> -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson > Sent: 01 November 2008 23:34 > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: Value added by z/VM versus VMWARE > > > One thing that really bothers me about VMWARE. When I a

Re: Value added by z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Paul Raulerson
I am very confused indeed by this whole conversation -VMWARE and z/VM solve different solutions. And they are both extraordinarily good at what they do. Just at the 10,000 foot level, VMWARE is designed to virtualize PC hardware and z/VM virtualizes mainframe hardware. Dismissing this as

Re: I/O Overhead - z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
Alan, http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/resources/systems_z_news_announcement_pdf_ zvm.pdf has a discussion of z/VM vs. VMWARE in Appendix B. I've seen a link to an entire white paper devoted to a comparison of the two. I thought it was on IBM's site, but a quick search didn't find it.