Re: I/O Overhead - z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Alan Ackerman
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:37:40 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, 10/30/2008 at 10:29 EDT, David Kreuter While I will grant you the optimization point, let's not get too carri ed away. In an LPAR, SIE handles guest I/O only for dedicated OSA and FCP adapters. All other I/O

Value added by z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Alan Ackerman
Another question from the same architecture person. What is the value add ed by z/VM over VMWARE for a Linux workload? (That's my wording, not his.) As usual, I don't know anything about what VMWARE can or cannot do. I'm s ure it can run fewer guests than VM, but not how many. VM has shared

Re: I/O Overhead - z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Marcy Cortes
Do you have Reed Mullen's presentation? I can't remember where I saw it last, but it covers the different flavors of virtualization. There was also another at SHARE in Aug that compared/contrasted the various kinds of virtualizatoin. Marcy Cortes Team Lead, Enterprise Virtualization - z/VM

Re: Reliability of SFS?

2008-11-01 Thread Kris Buelens
Rob, you must be getting old: still writing EXEC1 or EXEC2 code;-) - EXEC1 read continiously from disk - EXEC2 had a buffer (could store the whole EXEC by coding BUFFER *) But, REXX execs are completely loaded in storage before execution starts. Apart from that I share your thoughts: CMS waits to

Re: Value added by z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ideas on what value z/VM adds would be appreciated! Starting point should be the presentations that Reed Mullen does at various events on the value of z/VM for running Linux workloads, and the comparison between z/VM and

Re: What's on a tape?

2008-11-01 Thread David Boyes
TAPEMAP. Should be available on any of the VM Workshop tapes; won't report density correctly on post-3490 drives, but will produce a summary report of just about everything else you might need. Contact me offlist if you can't find a copy. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating

Re: What's on a tape?

2008-11-01 Thread Fran Hensler
I have version 3.066 dated 1998-06-04 on my download page: http://zvm.sru.edu/~download /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 45 years mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh +1.724.738.2153 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock

Re: Value added by z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Rick Troth
Alan -- What Rob said. (Which I know that you know, but which bears repeating and deserves to be heard by your architect.) Don't make out like z/VM is a silver bullet, but be clear that z/VM is a powerful weapon in his arsenal. Also: I like to draw illustrations from other platforms. Even the

Re: I/O Overhead - z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Rick Troth
I recommend use of the term insertion loss instead of overhead. The term comes from telecomm. The affect arises from any number of JUSTIFIED additions to a transmission line which naturally introduce attenuation of the signal. Add a noise filter? It will reduce noise (which you want) but it

Re: What's on a tape?

2008-11-01 Thread A. Harry Williams
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:42:54 -0400 Wayne T Smith said: I've been asked to figure out what we have in our inventory of VM and VSE tapes, in preparation for moving to new drives/media. I'm expecting to write a PIPE that will do the required summary, more or less iterating to a final solution by

Re: What's on a tape?

2008-11-01 Thread Fran Hensler
TBROWSE was indeed written by Yossie Silverman but it is now maintained by Rick Bourgeois - [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] of Virtual Software Systems, Inc. I now have it on my download page at: http://zvm.sru.edu/~download /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA

Re: Value added by z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Barton Robinson
One thing that really bothers me about VMWARE. When I ask about performance to the people that measure, they tell me the VMWARE contract specifically states they are not allowed to talk about it's performance. A vendor that won't let people talk about performance must be very afraid details

Re: Value added by z/VM versus VMWARE

2008-11-01 Thread Dave Wade
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: 01 November 2008 23:34 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Value added by z/VM versus VMWARE One thing that really bothers me about VMWARE. When I ask