Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-08-28 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Marcy Cortes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please check out apar VM6 if you are diving deep into ISFC. I'd feel better if you did :) In a recent conversation I claimed that ISFC has always had stability problems when building a mesh network. We've always been

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-08-27 Thread Florian Bilek
Dear all, Last month I was asking to establish a ISCF connection between two z/VM systems. I got the information that the resources of the SFS have to be unique and that VMSYSx filepools are local. I have now the necessary CTCs and wanted to activate the IS-links. Howeve r I saw with q

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-08-27 Thread Kris Buelens
A CRR declares many resources: q resource user vmservr Resource: VMSYSRType: Local Owning Userid: VMSERVR Service: 30F0F2F9 Type: Local Owning Userid: VMSERVR Service: 06F2 Type: System Owning Userid: VMSERVR Service: 30F0F2F7 Type: Local Owning Userid: VMSERVR Resource:

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-08-27 Thread Florian Bilek
Hi Kris, Thank you very much. This helped me a lot. Best regards, Florian On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:08:52 +0200, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A CRR declares many resources: q resource user vmservr Resource: VMSYSRType: Local Owning Userid: VMSERVR Service: 30F0F2F9 Type:

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-08-27 Thread Marcy Cortes
] On Behalf Of Florian Bilek Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:53 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] CSE and VMSERVx Dear all, Last month I was asking to establish a ISCF connection between two z/VM systems. I got the information that the resources of the SFS have to be unique

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-25 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Rick Troth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also find (aside from where Tom's suggestion is needed) that it is helpful for the VMID of the SFS server to match the name of the filepool it serves. Helpful is an understatement in this context.It is very effective in

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-25 Thread Thomas Kern
I think it is reasonable to use VMSYS and VMSYSU in the same manner that IBM uses them in the 'default' RMSMASTER configuration. For applications that are LOCAL to this system, I put control type information (config files) i n VMSYS and use VMSYSU for work and logfiles. At disaster recovery, I

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-25 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jul 25, 2008, at 7:36 AM, Rob van der Heij wrote: Resist the idea to use VMSYS* filepools for other purposes. Any time saved by hijacking the VMSERVU configuration to hold your own data is normally paid back later at a less convenient moment. I consider myself more than usually tolerant of

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-25 Thread Schuh, Richard
Of Adam Thornton Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:04 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: CSE and VMSERVx On Jul 25, 2008, at 7:36 AM, Rob van der Heij wrote: Resist the idea to use VMSYS* filepools for other purposes. Any time saved by hijacking the VMSERVU configuration to hold

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-25 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jul 25, 2008, at 10:40 AM, Schuh, Richard wrote: It doesn't seem that difficult, just follow the instructions. It may be drudgery, but the cookbook does work ;-) OK. Compare to adding more storage to ZFS or adding more storage to a Linux LVM2 volume. Sure, I'm not having to manually

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-25 Thread Schuh, Richard
the predecessor systems like SFS and DB2. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:26 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: CSE and VMSERVx On Jul 25

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-25 Thread David Boyes
I think it is reasonable to use VMSYS and VMSYSU in the same manner that IBM uses them in the 'default' RMSMASTER configuration. For applications that are LOCAL to this system, I put control type information (config files) i n VMSYS and use VMSYSU for work and logfiles. At disaster

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-25 Thread Mike Harding
Beg to differ... The restriction on the VMSYS_ filepools is well publicized if not well known, and there are installations with a standard node: filepool already and in some cases they're global. --Mike Given that IBM discourages use of the VMSYSx: pools for real user data, would it make

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-25 Thread Alan Altmark
On Friday, 07/25/2008 at 10:05 EDT, Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I consider myself more than usually tolerant of system-administration- related pain, butdamn, SFS doesn't make defining new pools exactly *easy*, does it? If it isn't easy, I don't think defining SFS filepools is

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-23 Thread Rick Troth
I also find (aside from where Tom's suggestion is needed) that it is helpful for the VMID of the SFS server to match the name of the filepool it serves. -- R;

CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-22 Thread Florian Bilek
Dear all, What is the right approach to define VMSERVx machines to work in CSE? When the directory is shared and the names of those machines MUST be the same on all the z/VM instances there is a conflict since they use all the same minidisks. I couldn't find too much information about this.

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-22 Thread Kris Buelens
The VMSERVx servers can be started on one VM only at a time. But, they can be reached by users on other VM systems: you'd make a CTC connection between the VM systems and use ACTIVATE ISLINK to make the CP's talk to eachother. Global resources are then available throughout the ISFC collection.

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-22 Thread Florian Bilek
Kris, thank you for this info. But isn't it the case that e.g. DFSMS/VM need th ose SFS servers and if so, I thought the name MUST always be the original one . If this is not the case than fine. Does it mean that the DFSMS an be run from other SFS servers as well? Best regards, Florian

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-22 Thread Robert J Brenneman
Another approach - the one I use - is to add each of the VMSERV[S|U|R] systems to the XSPOOL input and output exclude lists in SYSTEM CONFIG. This prevents them from participating in the shared spool configuration, but allows them to log on to multiple VM systems in the CSE cluster concurrently.

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-22 Thread Kris Buelens
DFSMS wants to have a VMSYS server. VMSYS filepool IDs are local, so each VM system would need one. When you use CSE with a shared CP directory,SASAFFIN records in the directory can make that users in one system have other minidisks than users in other systems. So, even with CSE, you can have

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-22 Thread RPN01
That doesn¹t deal with the write-enabled minidisks owned by those users, though. You¹d need to use SYSAFFIN to isolate minidisks to specific LPARs, and if you did this, your filepools wouldn¹t actually be shared. If you don¹t do something with SYSAFFIN and just allow all the systems to access the

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-22 Thread Thomas Kern
Each system should have its own VMSYS filepool, but nothing requires that it be in a userid named VMSERVS. In a shared directory, make multiple userid s like VMASERVS, VMBSERVS, VMCSERVS, and you can configur each to provide t he VMSYS filepool for their own system. You do need to make sure the