Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT.

2008-08-01 Thread Gary M. Dennis
32 and 16 bit. The boot loaders used and FreeDos required incorporation of 16 bit support. Monumental pain. We don't see 64 bit support being problematic though. Gary On 8/1/08 9:31 AM, "Adam Thornton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does z/VOS do x86_64 or just 32-bit x86? Actually, can you lis

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT.

2008-08-01 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:08 PM, Gary M. Dennis wrote: z/VOS translates guest OS code during initial execution. Code fragment storage, lookup, disposal and reuse for primary and sibling guests are addressed in a patent application. Suffice it to say that we don't interpret or emulate massive amounts

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT.

2008-07-31 Thread Gary M. Dennis
Apologies for not responding to this thread in a more timely fashion. I had a flood of emails after the initial post. Speed OR Portability Adam is closer than he knows about the approach we have taken on z/VOS. First, he is right when he guessed "almost-certainly assembly". We have tried both Q

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT.

2008-07-25 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jul 25, 2008, at 8:48 AM, McKown, John wrote: Somewhat like BOCH? I remember somebody saying that they ran Windows on BOCH on an old P/390. A little more data: the straight-up portable-emulation x86 code-path is still not a good idea. I got the current released bochs (20080720) buil

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT.

2008-07-25 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jul 25, 2008, at 8:48 AM, McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary M. Dennis Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:34 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT.

2008-07-25 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary M. Dennis > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:34 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT. >

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT.

2008-07-24 Thread Gary M. Dennis
z/VOS is written to support the x86 instruction set and the underlying hardware rather than a specific operating system. For example, FreeDos was used as the initial debug target operating system due to source code availability. --. .- .-. -.-- Gary Dennis Mantissa Corporation On 7/23/08 9

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT.

2008-07-24 Thread Barton Robinson
ing System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:59 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT. Ok, so reality check folks before y'all start drooling about jobs and can think you can ru

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT.

2008-07-24 Thread Quay, Jonathan (IHG)
- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:59 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT. Ok, so reality check folks before y'all start drooling about job

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT.

2008-07-23 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Gary, if it runs native windows, will it also then run x86 linux? That seems to be one of the barriers for us, that z/linux may not support certain x86 linux applications. Thanks, Mary Anne > Gary M. Dennis wrote: > > Z/VOS is a CMS application. The glass-side user will only see Windows via >> R

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT.

2008-07-23 Thread Barton Robinson
Ok, so reality check folks before y'all start drooling about jobs and can think you can run 47000 windows servers under VM. In Linux we learned that running compiled code "natively" on "z", megahertz is megahertz and a CPU intensive task would always run faster on Intel than on "z" (until we go