Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-23 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 10/22/2009 at 10:41 EDT, Stephen Frazier ste...@doc.state.ok.us wrote: So SSI (zVM0 is HA (VMware) and Live Guest Relocation (zVM) is vmotion (VMware). I don't know what zVM0 is, so I can't answer your question. The architecture is SSI or HA and LGR or vmotion is what you can do

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-23 Thread Huegel, Thomas
Altmark Sent: Fri 10/23/2009 1:10 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 On Thursday, 10/22/2009 at 10:41 EDT, Stephen Frazier ste...@doc.state.ok.us wrote: So SSI (zVM0 is HA (VMware) and Live Guest Relocation (zVM) is vmotion (VMware). I don't

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-23 Thread Mike Walter
...@kable.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 10/23/2009 08:50 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 Personally I wish people would quit

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-23 Thread Scott Rohling
Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 10/23/2009 08:50 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 Personally I wish people would quit trying to compare z/VM

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-23 Thread Stephen Frazier
When you must support both you need to always state which you are referring to (zVM) or (VMware). Scott Rohling wrote: I just say zVM (or zed-VM) whenever referring to 'our' VM -- that seems to keep everyone clear. And I don't refer to VMWare at all - which keeps it even clearer ;-)

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-23 Thread Schuh, Richard
] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:37 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 I also wish people would quit referring to vmWARE VM... It only confuses those in the executive suite. What's wrong with referring to VMware

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-23 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
, but it was no match for me in kickboxing. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 23:10 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-23 Thread Alan Altmark
On Friday, 10/23/2009 at 12:34 EDT, O'Brien, Dennis L dennis.l.o'br...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I don't know what zVM0 is, so I can't answer your question. Reading the whole sentence, (zVM0 was meant to be (zVM). He just didn't hold the shift key down for the right paren. Yes, I know it

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-23 Thread Schuh, Richard
That sentence wasn't red, it was black. :-)(This must be Friday.) Regards, Richard Schuh Thanks - I didn't notice the unmatched parens even though I red the whole sentence.

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-23 Thread Bob Woodside
On Friday 23 October 2009, Schuh, Richard wrote: That sentence wasn't red, it was black. :-)(This must be Friday.) ...and not a moment too soon! :-) Cheers, Bob -- Bob Woodside Woodsway Consulting, Inc. http://www.woodsway.com

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-23 Thread P S
And while we're debating correct terminology, remember that it's z/VM. The slash is required: it's software. z/VM, z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, z/Architecture (yeah, that's considered software). z10, z9, z900, z800, etc. -- hardware.

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-22 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 10/21/2009 at 12:36 EDT, Alain Benveniste a.benveni...@free.fr wrote: I'm not sure what should be understood by Single System Image ? Could you give me a brief explanation of this meaning ? A Single System Image will be a cluster of 2, 3, or 4 z/VM LPARs that has the following

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-22 Thread Alain Benveniste
Alan I suppose we could compare this to a z/OS complex. And is it true to say that if I pay to use 30mips for one VM, i could divide the work to 4 VM, each one having 30mips for the same price ? Alain Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 22 oct. 2009 à 08:05, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com a

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-22 Thread Stephen Frazier
On VMware you can move a running virtual machine from one ESX machine to another without the operating systems running on the virtual machine knowing it. There are many good ideas from zVM that have been copied by VMware. This is an example going the other way - zVM is using a VMware idea. Both

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-22 Thread Thomas Kern
Many years ago at the University of Waterloo, multiple VM systems were connected together in a Single System Image and running virtual machines were moved from one physical system to another based on need. This is nothing new. This is just finally coming out from IBM. Thank you Romney. /Tom Kern

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-22 Thread David Boyes
On 10/22/09 4:03 PM, Stephen Frazier ste...@doc.state.ok.us wrote: On VMware you can move a running virtual machine from one ESX machine to another without the operating systems running on the virtual machine knowing it. There are many good ideas from zVM that have been copied by VMware. This

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-22 Thread Schuh, Richard
That Company was VM/CMS Unlimited, IIRC. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:43 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-22 Thread Bob Levad
, October 22, 2009 3:56 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 That Company was VM/CMS Unlimited, IIRC. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of David

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-22 Thread Hughes, Jim
[mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On ==Behalf Of Schuh, Richard ==Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:56 PM ==To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU ==Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 == ==That Company was VM/CMS Unlimited, IIRC. == ==Regards, ==Richard Schuh == == == == -Original

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-22 Thread Mike Walter
Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 10/22/2009 04:00 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 Romney was with another outfit before VM/CMS

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-22 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 10/22/2009 at 04:04 EDT, Stephen Frazier ste...@doc.state.ok.us wrote: Now zVM is adding vmotion from VMware, so they call it Single System Image. Actually, no. Single System Image is a cluster architecture. Live Guest Relocation (which requires an SSI cluster) is just one of

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-22 Thread Schuh, Richard
@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 Until Romney does, Gerald Depass (and perhaps Romney) started Adesse. Adesse had some pretty nifty products! IIRC, Single System Image was Romney's idea, after he started VM/CMS Unlimited. It was the Thursday

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-22 Thread Stephen Frazier
Alan Altmark wrote: On Thursday, 10/22/2009 at 04:04 EDT, Stephen Frazier ste...@doc.state.ok.us wrote: Now zVM is adding vmotion from VMware, so they call it Single System Image. Actually, no. Single System Image is a cluster architecture. Live Guest Relocation (which requires an

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-21 Thread Alan Ackerman
The only z/VM 6.1 only items I found were: 1. Limited to z10 only 2. Prefetch guest data into processor cache 3. Closer integration with IBM Systems Director So if that's all there is, why would anyone bother to install z/VM 6.1? Alan Ackerman Alan (dot) Ackerman (at) Bank of America (dot)

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-21 Thread Rich Smrcina
Alan Ackerman wrote: The only z/VM 6.1 only items I found were: 1. Limited to z10 only 2. Prefetch guest data into processor cache 3. Closer integration with IBM Systems Director So if that's all there is, why would anyone bother to install z/VM 6.1? Alan Ackerman Alan (dot) Ackerman

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-21 Thread Marcy Cortes
-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Ackerman Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:43 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-21 Thread P S
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.comwrote: On Tuesday, 10/20/2009 at 06:46 EDT, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: Did pricing change? No. One does wonder, Why the version number change?

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-21 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 10/21/2009 at 11:48 EDT, P S zosw...@gmail.com wrote: One does wonder, Why the version number change? The z10 Architectural Level Set. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-21 Thread Mike Walter
IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 10/21/2009 10:47 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-21 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:55 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 I don't have any IBM inside

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-21 Thread Mike Walter
IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 10/21/2009 11:10 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-21 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 The only z/VM 6.1 only items I found were: 1. Limited to z10 only 2. Prefetch guest data into processor cache 3. Closer integration with IBM Systems Director So if that's all there is, why would anyone

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-21 Thread Alain Benveniste
@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: On Tuesday, 10/20/2009 at 06:46 EDT, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: Did pricing

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-21 Thread P S
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Mike Walter mike.wal...@hewitt.comwrote: SSI appears to provide a means of using communications architectures to couple up to 4 (maximum: FOUR) z/VM systems into one Single System Image. Heh. I remember when ISF (the same idea, badly done, on HPO) was

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-21 Thread Mike Walter
Subject Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 Mike, I'm not sure what should be understood by Single System Image ? Could you give me a brief explanation of this meaning ? The french guy Alain Le 21 oct. 2009 à 17:55, Mike Walter a écrit : I don't have any IBM inside information

z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-20 Thread Mike Walter
In case it slipped by, the G.A. announcement for a/VM 6.1 was posted today, see (watch for URL wrap):

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-20 Thread Marcy Cortes
: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:31 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 I cannot find much that is available only in z/VM 6.1. I looked through = the items in the announcment letter, and most of them say they are supported by PTF in z/VM 5.3

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-20 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
in kickboxing. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 15:46 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23 That's what I saw too. Did

Re: z/VM 6.1 G.A. targeted for this Friday, Oct 23

2009-10-20 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 10/20/2009 at 06:46 EDT, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: Did pricing change? No. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott