Re: [IceHorses] Who??

2008-02-02 Thread Raven
HA!! when I go into an arena with mirrors...Huginn does the very same thing...walks up to the mirrors and stares at himself. ;][

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-02-01 Thread Mic Rushen
. I see many competitive people that just stop showing when they see what happens to so many horses 'to win a ribbon' and work towards making horses more comfortable and having a better relationship with their people. In all the excitement and preparations for the WC I got really enthusiastic

RE: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-02-01 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Mic Ah, Robyn, remember the good old days in Switzerland washing dye off Skrudur's leg and cutting up old towels to use as face masks to keep the flies off? ; ) Oh do I remember! I had to go to a beauty parlour and find dye remover and his leg ended up looking more like clay than white. I

RE: [IceHorses] Who is this? / Feldmann

2008-02-01 Thread Karen Thomas
Isn't it amazing that he would be brought in by the USIHC to teach here? I mean, use plain old common sense in watching his horses and riders ride, and anyone can see the unnaturalness of it. And isn't it just amazing that people think that you have to have special trainers to train Icelandic

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this? / Feldmann

2008-02-01 Thread pyramid
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 07:04:36AM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: No, when someone says they have to have a special trainer for an Icelandic pony, I immediately wonder how much REAL horse experience that person has...it's usually not much. Isn't it sad that some people are swayed by foreign

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this? / Feldmann

2008-02-01 Thread Nancy Sturm
A good trainer will ride the horse-of-the-moment, and will make adjustments as needed...without worrying what the breed is. Well said, Karen, well said! For the record. the second best trotting horse I ever owned was a 16 h off-track appendix quarter horse. The best ever was a 15.3 h

Re: [IceHorses] Who??

2008-02-01 Thread Lorraine
Gat didn't know the beauty she was looking at was herself! V (When Orri was introduced to the mirror he was all puzzled--kept looking for legs below the mirror.) Oh that is cute. Lorraine Be

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Mic Rushen
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:02:53 -0500, you wrote: It looks like Walter Feldman to me, but I'm not sure. I thought that too. At least he's in a nice soft school rather than on the road or something. I would have got off and checked the horse was ok, but then maybe he did after the video ended (the

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Nancy Sturm
Another dumb question. Who is Walter? Lorraine - there are no dumb questions. Nancy

RE: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Lorraine
Yes it is Walter. Another dumb question. Who is Walter? Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Lorraine
German Icehorse trainer and guru, son of Walter Feldmann senior, been there, done that, won every icehorse competition there is in Europe Thanks Mic Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Mic Rushen
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:40:04 -0800, you wrote: Another dumb question. Who is Walter? German Icehorse trainer and guru, son of Walter Feldmann senior, been there, done that, won every icehorse competition there is in Europe including several World Championships. Renowned for being outspoken

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Janice McDonald
Walter Jr is the trainer coming to teach the trainers course in the US which is why his name has come up on this list recently. He is extremely demanding of horses and IMO quite hard on them, however, I was seen as way to soft so it is all in the eyes of the beholder and what you are willing

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Karen Thomas
Walter Jr is the trainer coming to teach the trainers course in the US which is why his name has come up on this list recently. He is extremely demanding of horses and IMO quite hard on them, however, I was seen as way to soft so it is all in the eyes of the beholder and what you are

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Mic Rushen
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:23:44 -0600, you wrote: I think things are changing Robyn. very very slowly, but one by one, things are changing. Do you feel that way? Or do you feel it is hopeless. I do sometimes. I know I'm not Robyn, but I think it's becoming more and more polarized between those

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this? / Feldmann

2008-01-31 Thread Judy Ryder
rather than polite, used to have the reputation for some rather dodgy shoeing practices on competition horses, developed his own horse breed sells lots of horses, makes training videos, writes books, gives lots of courses etc etc etc. Not thought well of generally on this list due to his

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 31/01/2008, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure how much effect - if any - we have had, or will ever have - on the dedicated competition people where it seems things just keep getting harder and harder for the horses. : ( The problem is that to the rest of the world, that type

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this? / Feldmann

2008-01-31 Thread Judy Ryder
Walter Jr is the trainer coming to teach the trainers course in the US which is why his name has come up on this list recently. He is extremely demanding of horses and IMO quite hard on them, horses that had to be trained via strong-armed tactics This is really sad for the breed. My

RE: [IceHorses] Who is this? / Feldmann

2008-01-31 Thread Karen Thomas
So, how did we get to the point of having trainers strong-arm the Icelandic Horses into gaits? Machismo? After all, the Icelandic show world is still dominated by men. I guess real men (said with much sarcasm) don't like to admit that they are riding sweet, gentle, easy-going, easy-to-train

RE: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Mic, I know I'm not Robyn, but I think it's becoming more and more polarized between those of us who are thinking riders and those who want to win competitions at any price. This is so true. If you look at Klaus Balkenhol and the Xenophen club it is anti Rollkur etc and the distance between

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Mic Rushen
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:01:38 -0500, you wrote: While many of us on the list like to take credit for some of the positive changes (such as they are) I personally don't think any of the movers and shakers in Icelandics in Europe are the slightest bit bothered one way or the other by what you lot

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?- Change to Change

2008-01-31 Thread Laree Shulman
While many of us on the list like to take credit for some of the positive changes (such as they are) I personally don't think any of the movers and shakers in Icelandics in Europe are the slightest bit bothered one way or the other by what you lot over there, and us on our little island, say

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Nancy Sturm
I think comes down to a person's perspective on what is abuse, and what is training and what your goals are with your own animals. Exactly! I think we need to remember that we in the U.S. are a mere two generations away from a time when horses were treated a little less well than tractors

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Mic Rushen
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:19:56 -0800, you wrote: generations away from a time when horses were treated a little less well than tractors are today. I think Maria treats her tractor rather better than she treats me. ; ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread snowpony
The problem is that to the rest of the world, that type of riding paints us all with the same brush...the whole breed becomes tainted. Oh Wanda, I have missed your incredible talent for those succinct one-liners! As usual, you have summed up the situation precisely. That's exactly it.

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?- Change to Change

2008-01-31 Thread snowpony
I don't think we are going to change the minds of the people deeply embedded in the world of show Icelandics but I do feel there is good being done in those people on the periphery that might go either way - depending on their influence. I agree Laree.I think the goal is not so much to

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Nancy Sturm
I think Maria treats her tractor rather better than she treats me. Well I don't think I'll be asking Bruce to choose between me and the tractor - unless this continued winter weather REALLY gets to me. We do have a son in Maui. Nancy

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 31/01/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Wanda, I have missed your incredible talent for those succinct one-liners! As usual, you have summed up the situation precisely. That's exactly it. Well...I miss your 'snorts'. Nice to have you back. BTW...I'm getting too old to

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-31 Thread Lorraine
BTW...I'm getting too old to beat around the bush. I'll be 50 within a few months...and I just don't see an advantage to being subtle You are a spring chicken. Lorraine Be a better friend,

[IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread Wanda Lauscher
Who is this rider? I don't suppose it matters. I wouldn't know him anyway. It's interesting to read a few of the comments. They have a real bullying tone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdnQXCUnspU When I was a kid, I had a little pony trip like this and I immediatly got off and checked her

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread Judy Ryder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdnQXCUnspU One of the previous comments that got lost in the shuffle: im not saying the weight is the issue or the size of the rider. God forgive me for being the only one here who cares about a horses well being Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com

RE: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread Karen Thomas
Who is this rider? I don't suppose it matters. I wouldn't know him anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdnQXCUnspU It looks like Walter Feldman to me, but I'm not sure. When I was a kid, I had a little pony trip like this and I immediately got off and checked her over. She had

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 30/01/2008, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess horses and ponies can trip over about anything, but I'd be checking for a reason for a trip that big, especially on what seems to be flat, groomed track. If I recall correctly we were ripping across the front lawn, up onto the

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread Nancy Sturm
Bruce, who hasn't ridden since about 1963, wants to know Why does he have him pulled up so short? I do have a question about the stumble. When Bev has a horse stumble (and eventually one will) she takes up on the reins to help the horse to regain his footing. When I have a horse stumble (and

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread Nancy Sturm
It looks like Walter Feldman to me, but I'm not sure. Sounds like his voice. Nancy

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread Stephanie Caldwell
On Jan 30, 2008 9:03 PM, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think? I think that it depends on the horse. ;) On very balanced horses I grab mane and give them their heads. Especially strong minded balanced horses, if they're trail savvy then they know far better how to regain

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread Nancy Sturm
To me, yanking on the reins is a gut reaction. What do you think? I think you're right and the rider in the video is not only yanking on the horse's reins, he seems to be issuing some kind of a correction. Again, I can't understand the language, but I don't think he's saying Oh, you poor

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 30/01/2008, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, who hasn't ridden since about 1963, wants to know Why does he have him pulled up so short? There is quite a ewe neck apparent in that riding style isn't there? Now, if a horse is ridden in that fashion, that also means that the back is

RE: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread Karen Thomas
Bruce, who hasn't ridden since about 1963, wants to know Why does he have him pulled up so short? Good question. If the horse can't use his head to help with his balance...and if his head is held high, then it seems natural to me that the horse can't see where he's going. And if he can't

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread Karen Thomas
I think you're right and the rider in the video is not only yanking on the horse's reins, he seems to be issuing some kind of a correction. Again, I can't understand the language, but I don't think he's saying Oh, you poor thing, here let me help you to your feet. That's not what I'd

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread IceDog
That's not what I'd guess he's saying either - not that I understand German swear words... I don't think they're in German! :o) Cheryl Icelandic Sheepdogs Icelandic Horses www.sandcreekicelandics.com

Re: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread Karen Thomas
I think the reason I try to allow my horses to find their own balance when they trip on rough ground, roots, rocks or whatever is that I caused a very nice Thoroughbred mare to have a very bad fall. A friend and I were riding down a slippery embankment to ford a creek in order to start

RE: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Who is this rider? I don't suppose it matters. I wouldn't know him anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdnQXCUnspU It looks like Walter Feldman to me, but I'm not sure. Yes it is Walter. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com

RE: [IceHorses] Who is this?

2008-01-30 Thread Lorraine
I generally just grab some mane, to stay on, and let the horse work it out. My instincts tell me that trying to stay steady myself is probably the best thing I could do for them. I'm not sure that taking up contact is going to help them? Scooter fell to his knees one time and

[IceHorses] Who is Nevzorov

2008-01-22 Thread Judy Ryder
Who is Nevzorov and what would he think of icelandic-style riding and training: http://horsesforlife.com/WhoIsAlexanderNevzorov/ http://iceryder.net/nevzorov.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com