RE: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-14 Thread Karen Thomas
Karen, You gave me alot to think about. I mostly walk but they walk pretty fast. We leave quarter horses in the dust at a walk. Which isn't hard. I can feel a hint of gait in Scooter. I just need to practice sitting different. I sat a certain way on my MFT and he gaited. But Scooter is such

RE: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-14 Thread Karen Thomas
stjarni at least likes to stretch his neck down for trotting, and loosening the reins while you ask gives him permission and freedom to do so. Lorraine's horses sound like they are very strongly diagonal, so trot is easiest for them. Since Stjarni is strongly lateral, then what works for

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-14 Thread pyramid
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 06:32:05AM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote: stjarni at least likes to stretch his neck down for trotting, and loosening the reins while you ask gives him permission and freedom to do so. Lorraine's horses sound like they are very strongly diagonal, so trot is easiest for

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-14 Thread Judy Ryder
That is what Judy was trying to teach me. Just takes practice Lorraine, I'll be there at the end of the month. Judy

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Lynn Kinsky
On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Lorraine wrote: I still don't get how to tolt. They just seem to trot and it isn't smooth. I still love them. Lorraine For most gaited horses, sitting deep in the saddle and putting your weight on the loins (or shifting the saddle back) will get the horse

RE: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Karen Thomas
I still don't get how to tolt. They just seem to trot and it isn't smooth. I still love them. I'm glad to read your last sentence, Lorraine. :) Do you have Lee Ziegler's book? As you may have picked up in our discussions, there are some Icelandic's who simply don't have a lot of gait in

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Nancy Sturm
The first thing to try, though, is to run in hand or pony the horse along side a horse that IS gaiting, on a hard surface or next to a wall so the gaiting horse's footfalls can be heard. Again, the horse will often get it from the sound. Good advice Lynn. I was surprised how much the

RE: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Karen Thomas
The other thing, however, is I believe there are Icelandics who do not have an intermediate gait. And the other half, Tosca does not trot under saddle. Since we're still in early stages, I'm not going there. And the other extreme - the horses who have very little desirable soft gait, with no

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Nancy Sturm
Leg yields are much easier on the horses, so they can begin them (lightly, without excessive repetition) pretty soon. What I'm asking right now is that she take one or maybe two steps, while moving forward, away from my leg. I have also asked for one step to right or left of either front

RE: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Karen Thomas
For most gaited horses, sitting deep in the saddle and putting your weight on the loins (or shifting the saddle back) will get the horse to get under itself and generally will cause it to gait, if it has any tendency at all. Maybe I’m taking you too literally, but PLEASE, no weight on the loins

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Janice McDonald
On 3/13/08, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first thing to try, though, is to run in hand or pony the horse along side a horse that IS gaiting, on a hard surface or next to a wall so the gaiting horse's footfalls can be heard. Again, the horse will often get it from the

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Janice McDonald
On 3/13/08, Lynn Kinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Lorraine wrote: I still don't get how to tolt. They just seem to trot and it isn't smooth. I still love them. Lorraine For most gaited horses, sitting deep in the saddle and putting your weight on the

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Nancy Sturm
On 3/13/08, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first thing to try, though, is to run in hand or pony the horse along side a horse that IS gaiting, on a hard surface or next to a wall so the gaiting horse's footfalls can be heard. Again, the horse will often get it from the

RE: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Jeannette Hoenig
I still don't get how to tolt. They just seem to trotLorraine, is the mule riding friend own a gaited mule? I wondered since I see more gaited breed mules advertised out west than here in the east. Since you are trail budies it would be a good one to ride parallel to for gaiting. I found my

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread pyramid
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 09:06:46AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote: On 3/13/08, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first thing to try, though, is to run in hand or pony the horse along side a horse that IS gaiting, on a hard surface or next to a wall so the gaiting horse's footfalls

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread pyramid
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 09:29:56AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote: For most gaited horses, sitting deep in the saddle and putting your weight on the loins (or shifting the saddle back) will get the horse to get under itself and generally will cause it to gait, through pain Lynne! Not good

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Lynn Kinsky
On Mar 13, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Karen Thomas wrote: For most gaited horses, sitting deep in the saddle and putting your weight on the loins (or shifting the saddle back) will get the horse to get under itself and generally will cause it to gait, if it has any tendency at all. Maybe I’m

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Karen Thomas
Again, the horse will often get it from the sound. i dont think that really works. I'm pretty sure it won't work either, Janice...UNLESS, and this is big...the horse already has that particular gait in his easy-to-use bag of tricks. Then it MIGHT, but only if the horse can do that gait at

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Karen Thomas
Someone else wrote the statement above. Ha! I've been mis-snipped in the past too - annoying, isn't it?!!! Karen Thomas, NC

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Laree Shulman
the version of this that i've gotten from my instructors has been a little different -- tuck your tailbone under you, sit up VERY TALL and open your chest. to ask for trot, rotate your pelvis forward, loosen (or drop entirely) the reins and let your hands rest on the withers or neck, or even

RE: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Lorraine
Karen, You gave me alot to think about. I mostly walk but they walk pretty fast. We leave quarter horses in the dust at a walk. Which isn't hard. I can feel a hint of gait in Scooter. I just need to practice sitting different. I sat a certain way on my MFT and he gaited. But Scooter is

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Lorraine
The first thing to try, though, is to run in hand or pony the horse along side a horse that IS gaiting, on a hard surface or next to a wall so the gaiting horse's footfalls can be heard. Again, the horse will often get it from the sound. I can't run very long because of my

RE: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Lorraine
I still don't get how to tolt. They just seem to trotLorraine, is the mule riding friend own a gaited mule? I wondered since I see more gaited breed mules advertised out west than here Yes he is a Walker mule. Lorraine

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Lorraine
-- tuck your tailbone under you, sit up VERY TALL and open your chest. to ask for trot, rotate your pelvis forward, That is what Judy was trying to teach me. Just takes practice Lorraine Be a

Re: [IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-13 Thread Lorraine
loosen (or drop entirely) the reins and let your hands rest on the withers or neck, or even come entirely into half-seat. Why would I loosen the reins. I thought you were supposed to have some tention on the reins while pushing him forward. Lorraine

[IceHorses] not tolting

2008-03-12 Thread Lorraine
I still don't get how to tolt. They just seem to trot and it isn't smooth. I still love them. Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Re: [IceHorses] stjarni tolting on a loose rein

2007-02-01 Thread pyramid
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 04:37:31PM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote: However, I tried and tried and tried to get Hreggur to TROT over poles and I had no success. He did his little version of pace...and that was it. wanda -- just wanted to say that i had trotting poles set up for stjarni

[IceHorses] stjarni tolting on a loose rein

2007-01-12 Thread pyramid
i keep trying and failing to post this pic, as it is too big for yahoo, but being dark you can't see the slack in the reins w/o it being fullsize. (compressing the file wasn't adequate, apparently.) so i put it here: http://www.andor.org/icehorses/loose-rein-tolt.jpg it's big, but it isn't a

Re: [IceHorses] stjarni tolting on a loose rein

2007-01-12 Thread pyramid
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 09:58:41AM -0700, ToltallyICE wrote: Here is Stjarni size reduced, cropped and lightened. Cheryl thank you cheryl! :) --vicka

Re: [IceHorses] stjarni tolting on a loose rein

2007-01-12 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 1/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you should be able to see my hands being low by his withers, anyway. You were tolting over poles? Virginia

Re: [IceHorses] stjarni tolting on a loose rein

2007-01-12 Thread pyramid
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 01:39:53PM -0400, Virginia Tupper wrote: On 1/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you should be able to see my hands being low by his withers, anyway. You were tolting over poles? not really; we were practicing doing straight lines off the rail, and

RE: [IceHorses] stjarni tolting on a loose rein

2007-01-12 Thread Karen Thomas
sure! the pic was taken a few months ago, when i was having a riding lesson. i strongly suspect from my cranky little face that my instructor had asked me to trot, and stjarni was tolting anyway :) Ok, but remember that I asked permission, ok? :) I'm replying in detail, hopefully to clarify