Re: e2e [Re: Port numbers andIPv6(was: I-D ACTION:draft-klensin-iana-reg-policy-00.txt)

2005-07-22 Thread Masataka Ohta
Brian E Carpenter wrote: I have to agree that e2e cannot create network level QoS that isn't available - if the best path available can't offer the desired QoS, no end system magic can achieve that QoS. But it can at least make the best use of the QoS available, e.g. by reducing a

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-iana-considerations-rfc2434bis-02.txt

2005-07-22 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On fredag, juli 22, 2005 00:27:25 +0200 Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam, I would think that the purpose of a Last Call as part of IESG review would primarily be not to evaluate success or failure, but to be sure that the IESG has an opportunity to hear, from the community,

Multiple roots E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Francois Menard
IETF-ers, What is the latest state-of-the-art thinking at the IETF about a distributed multiple-root systems for name discovery based on end-to-end peer-to-peer PKI-based trust discovery and trust chain management properties/capabilities exchange (I can sign you, you can sign me, I can do

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-iana-considerations-rfc2434bis-02.txt

2005-07-22 Thread Sam Hartman
BTW, this conversation and a side conversation with John has convinced me that IESG review should involve a call for comments phase. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: Re: ietf mailing list Acceptable Use Policy

2005-07-22 Thread John Loughney
We were faced with this question some time ago, and the result was the creation of the IETF Non-WG mailing lists page, https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/nwg_list.cgi The theory being that if something is listed there, the IETF definitely considers it an IETF list; if it is not listed,

Re: Multiple roots E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 07:31:48AM -0400, Francois Menard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 39 lines which said: However, there is more generality to my question ... I need a quick rundown of the latest thinking (RFCs, ID's, IESG IAB directives, IRTF experiments) regarding: 1)

Re: Multiple roots E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
You have of course read RFC 2826, IAB Technical Comment on the Unique DNS Root? Of course, this is specifically about the DNS, and doesn't answer your question as it pertains to non-DNS systems --On fredag, juli 22, 2005 07:31:48 -0400 Francois Menard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Multiple roots E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Francois Menard
However, there is more generality to my question ... I need a quick rundown of the latest thinking (RFCs, ID's, IESG IAB directives, IRTF experiments) regarding: 1) distributed multiple roots I would certainly be interested in any scientific and technical papers about this issue. This is a

Re: Multiple roots E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 10:08:03AM -0400, Francois Menard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 42 lines which said: You, not everybody v I would for example not trust .travel from new.net if ICANN had assumed control over .travel ... I should be able to pick this from a PKI-based P2P

Re: Multiple roots E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 13:31 22/07/2005, Francois Menard wrote: IETF-ers, What is the latest state-of-the-art thinking at the IETF about a distributed multiple-root systems for name discovery based on end-to-end peer-to-peer PKI-based trust discovery and trust chain management properties/capabilities exchange

Re: RTP vs. MIME

2005-07-22 Thread Bruce Lilly
Date: 2005-07-20 16:31 From: Colin Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 20 Jul 2005, at 18:26, Bruce Lilly wrote: I recall making no statements about RTP or the way it conveys data save for the fact that that is as irrelevant to defining a media type as are details of TCP or UDP etc. You

Re: Multiple roots E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 10:08 AM -0400 7/22/05, Francois Menard wrote: I would for example not trust .travel from new.net if ICANN had assumed control over .travel ... I should be able to pick this from a PKI-based P2P trust chain, would I not? Then you have created a new root, namely a combined one that you have

Re: calendar file for IETF

2005-07-22 Thread Cyrus Daboo
Hi Eliot, --On July 21, 2005 9:23:16 PM +0200 Eliot Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the daring, there is http://www.ofcourseimright.com/~lear/ietf63.ics. I claim no competence in any of this. No responsibility if you miss your meetings. No promises to update it. But it works for me.

Re: Port numbers and IPv6(was: I-D ACTION:draft-klensin-iana-reg-policy-00.txt)

2005-07-22 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Stephen Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boy are you in for a shock when you try to connect to an ethernet with 802.1x. I have yet to do so. I do have the facility on my Mac, but I've never had to turn it on. You need to get out more. Authentication is being built into the NIC cards. At

Re: calendar file for IETF

2005-07-22 Thread Eliot Lear
Thanks for the file. Unfortunately it is not a valid iCalendar file To fix this, just add the following line below the 'BEGIN:VCALENDAR' line: VERSION:2.0 Done! In addition, each VEVENT component needs to have a UID property with a unique identifier in each one. Done! Also, I

Re: Port numbers and IPv6(was: I-D ACTION:draft-klensin-iana-reg-policy-00.txt)

2005-07-22 Thread Philip Guenther
Stephen Sprunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... It's already happening. There is a large (and growing) number of corporate networks where 802.1x is mandatory -- if you don't do it, you simply can't connect. I've also run into a fair number that require registering MAC addresses (default is to

Re: Sarcarm and intimidation

2005-07-22 Thread Dean Anderson
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Noel Chiappa wrote: From: Dean Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyway, I hereby propose the IETF Corollary to Godwin's Law: whenever any IETF thread migrates to the subject of spam, it's time to end the thread. Does this mean that you think the

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-iana-considerations-rfc2434bis-02.txt

2005-07-22 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 07:35, Sam Hartman wrote: BTW, this conversation and a side conversation with John has convinced me that IESG review should involve a call for comments phase. A call for comments requires having something for the community to comment on. Will an internet draft will be

Please change the Subject: when you change the subject [Re: Sarcarm and intimidation]

2005-07-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
... Does this mean that you think the IETF should disband the ASRG, drop all current I-D's relating to spam, and quit working on spam issues? What I think is that if you change the subject, you should change the Subject:, so that people who might be interested in Sarcarm and intimidation but

Re: Multiple roots E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 10:08:03AM -0400, Francois Menard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 42 lines which said: You, not everybody v I would for example not trust .travel from new.net if ICANN had assumed control over .travel ... I should be able to pick

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-iana-considerations-rfc2434bis-02.txt

2005-07-22 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 3:51 PM -0400 7/22/05, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 07:35, Sam Hartman wrote: BTW, this conversation and a side conversation with John has convinced me that IESG review should involve a call for comments phase. A call for comments requires having something for the

Re: Multiple roots E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Masataka Ohta
Brian E Carpenter wrote: Don't forget that the uniqueness property of a domain name is used to guarantee uniqueness in other, derived, namespaces, How is it guaranteed? That is, who pays how much if the broken uniqueness resulted in loss of, say, $1,000,000? Without proper guarantee, based

Re: RTP vs. MIME

2005-07-22 Thread Colin Perkins
On 22 Jul 2005, at 16:25, Bruce Lilly wrote: ... To the extent that transport protocol overhead has been erroneously included in what is purported to be a media format specification, that is a problem with the registration and/or specification. There is nothing in the MIME rules which

Re: Multiple roots E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 22:54 22/07/2005, Brian E Carpenter wrote: I wouldn't change a word in RFC 2826. The problem with RFC 2826 is that it links (for information) a unique domain name resolution (what we want) with a unique authoritative root file (we do not care it is unique, we want the one we use to be

Re: Multiple roots E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Francois Menard
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005, Masataka Ohta wrote: PKI has nothing to do with E2E. As CAs and DNS servers are intermediate systems, neither PKI nor DNS are E2E. As intermediate systems, they don't have any information on ongoing transaction that they can't give any real guarantee. Masataka-San, your

Re: calendar file for IETF

2005-07-22 Thread Henrik Levkowetz
On 2005-07-22 18:51 Cyrus Daboo said the following: [...] BTW I think it might be worthwhile for the folks working on tools for IETF processes to look into having an automatic iCalendar generator for IETF agendas as a lot of people now have iCal capable clients that they could use to

RFC 4116 on IPv4 Multihoming Practices and Limitations

2005-07-22 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 4116 Title: IPv4 Multihoming Practices and Limitations Author(s): J. Abley, K. Lindqvist, E. Davies, B. Black, V. Gill Status: Informational Date: