Re: problem dealing w/ ietf.org mail servers

2008-07-02 Thread Mark Andrews
> Hi Rich > > I'll cc this to the ietf list, as you suggested. > > I've found the problem. It may or may not be something that ietf want's to > do something about -- I would think they would, since it seems to have global > significance. But I can fix it from this end. > > Specifically, the

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Frank Ellermann
John C Klensin wrote: > http://[10.0.0.6]/ anyone? My bastard browser from hell eats http://[208.77.188.166]/ It's certainly no STD 66 URL. But it won't surprise me if the URL-bis, charset-bis, net_2.0-bis, MIME-bis, XHTML-bis, (etc. ad nauseam) effort styling itself as "HTML5" decrees that thi

problem dealing w/ ietf.org mail servers

2008-07-02 Thread 'kent'
Hi Rich I'll cc this to the ietf list, as you suggested. I've found the problem. It may or may not be something that ietf want's to do something about -- I would think they would, since it seems to have global significance. But I can fix it from this end. Specifically, the problem Dave encoun

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Frank Ellermann
Mark Andrews wrote: > The Internet went to multi-label hostnames ~20 years ago. As noted in RFC 2821 as "one dot required" syntax, also mentioned in RFC 3696. Recently *overruled* by 2821bis. > No sane TLD operator can expect "http://tld"; or "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > to work reliably. Certainly

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Mark Andrews
> At 15:40 02-07-2008, John C Klensin wrote: > >Now, for example, I happen to believe that "one-off typing error > >is guaranteed to yield a false positive", is a more than > >sufficient _technical_ basis to ban single-alphabetic-letter > >domains at either the top or second levels and to advise >

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread SM
At 15:40 02-07-2008, John C Klensin wrote: Now, for example, I happen to believe that "one-off typing error is guaranteed to yield a false positive", is a more than sufficient _technical_ basis to ban single-alphabetic-letter domains at either the top or second levels and to advise lower-level do

RE: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Bernard Aboba
Mark Andrews said: "The Internet went to multi-label hostnames ~20 years ago.We added ".ARPA" to all the single label hostnames as partof that process. The only hold over is "localhost" andthat is implemeted locally, not in the global DNS. No sane TLD operator can expect "http://tld"; or "[EM

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Mark Andrews
> Which brings up a question can a TLD be used like a domain name? > > not just http://microsoft/ but [EMAIL PROTECTED] will likely to fail to. > > james > The Internet went to multi-label hostnames ~20 years ago. We added ".ARPA" to all the single label hostnames as part

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes?

2008-07-02 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 02 July, 2008 11:52 -0400 Lyman Chapin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With apologies for coming late to this thread - > > Any proposal for a new gTLD must satisfy a number of "string > criteria" that will be specified explicitly in the RFP, > including the requirements that the U-

RE: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Bernard Aboba
> > Another like restriction that might be investigated is whether> > > > http://microsoft/ or other similar corporate TLDs would work> > as intended > > with deployed legacy browsers. I think there are two orthogonal issues which are being conflated here. One issue is the ability of existin

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 02 July, 2008 10:45 -0700 Paul Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 9:30 AM -0700 7/2/08, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >> But it is still the case that an application for say .local >> would need to go through some review process (regardless of >> price) which would include input from

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Steve Crocker
While I appreciate the kind words and deference to SSAC, and while we would undoubtedly concur with recommendations to reserve names like .local, ICANN actually listens to the IETF more directly. Moreover, there is a specific slot on the Board of ICANN for a Liaison from the IETF. Thomas

[ Re: [mpls] WG Review: Recharter of Multiprotocol Label Switching (mpls)]

2008-07-02 Thread Loa Andersson
Eric, Eric Rosen wrote: - Define requirements, mechanisms and protocol extensions for point-to-multipoint (P2MP) MPLS Should be P2MP and MP2MP (multipoint-to-multipoint) MPLS; we wouldn't want to suddenly find out that half of draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp is "out of cha

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes?

2008-07-02 Thread Lyman Chapin
With apologies for coming late to this thread - Any proposal for a new gTLD must satisfy a number of "string criteria" that will be specified explicitly in the RFP, including the requirements that the U-label must not: (a) be identical to an existing TLD; (b) be identical to a Reserved Name

RE: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 01 July, 2008 09:58 -0700 "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another like restriction that might be investigated is whether > http://microsoft/ or other similar corporate TLDs would work > as intended with deployed legacy browsers. > I suspect (but have not trie

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 9:30 AM -0700 7/2/08, Ole Jacobsen wrote: But it is still the case that an application for say .local would need to go through some review process (regardless of price) which would include input from the IETF ICANN rep. I see little reason why or how a TLD that would be damaging, confusing, or

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread John Levine
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >Paul, > >But it is still the case that an application for say .local would need >to go through some review process (regardless of price) which would >include input from the IETF ICANN rep. More likely from the SSAC, which would be even better. In any e

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Ole Jacobsen
Paul, But it is still the case that an application for say .local would need to go through some review process (regardless of price) which would include input from the IETF ICANN rep. I see little reason why or how a TLD that would be damaging, confusing, or otherwise "bad" for the IETF would/c

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Paul Hoffman
(It's always a bummer when ietf-general turns into ICANN-general, but in this case it seems like a useful discussion because the IETF will probably be asked policy questions for various proposed TLDs.) At 10:17 AM -0400 7/2/08, Thomas Narten wrote: > In a more sane world, no one rational woul

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes?

2008-07-02 Thread Steve Crocker
Thanks! Steve On Jul 1, 2008, at 6:36 PM, John Levine wrote: This does not mean that ICANN won't listen to the IETF; it means that there will be voices more familiar to ICANN saying things different than we are. One of the few ICANN committees that actually works is the SSAC, the Security

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread James Seng
Which brings up a question can a TLD be used like a domain name? not just http://microsoft/ but [EMAIL PROTECTED] will likely to fail to. james 2008/7/2 Hallam-Baker, Phillip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Another like restriction that might be investigated is whether > http://microsoft/ or other simila

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Thomas Narten
> In a more sane world, no one rational would want to build a > business or other activity around a TLD named "local". But > this is demonstrably not a sane world. Right. I can see the business case for this. :-( But at least in the first round, the barrier to entry is so high that I don't see

RE: Qualitative Analysis of IETF and IESG trends (Re: Measuring IETF and IESG trends)

2008-07-02 Thread Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
Speaking as an individual who has also participated in the work of other standards organizations - In other SDOs, the IEEE 802 for example, suggesting a fix for a problem detected in the text at ballot time is not only welcome, but sometimes the recommended if not mandatory practice. Dan > ---

Re: Qualitative Analysis of IETF and IESG trends (Re: Measuring IETF and IESG trends)

2008-07-02 Thread Jari Arkko
Ted, The big problem others have been pointing to is that DISCUSSes are not being used to say "here is a technical issue, for which any solution acceptable to the community is fine", but are instead being used to say "here is a technical issue, and here's what it would take to satisfy me that it