Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-mptcp-api-05

2012-08-17 Thread Joe Touch
On 8/13/2012 7:14 AM, philip.eard...@bt.com wrote: Ben, Thanks for your review. The right status isn't clear-cut (I think), but when we (Chairs & Wes) discussed it, Info seemed best * mainly because precedent seems to be that API docs are informational, for example socket API extensions for

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread Russ Housley
The document says: o Bullet 3, paragraph 1 is replaced by this: The nominating committee comprises at least a Chair, 10 voting volunteers, 4 liaisons, and an advisor. The Past Chair is missing. The adviser is not required, a

Re: [IAB] IETF 92 in Dallas!

2012-08-17 Thread Wes Hardaker
Behcet Sarikaya writes: > It was a natural event that happens rarely in Dallas, in fact since > 2006, it has not happened again. That's because we haven't been back yet. -- Wes Hardaker SPARTA, Inc.

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread Russ Housley
The document says: o Bullet 15 is replaced by these two bullets: 15.1. Members of the Internet Society Board of Trustees and sitting members of the IAB, the IESG, and the IAOC, including members

Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm

2012-08-17 Thread Jonne.Soininen
Hi, I think very strongly that IAB should sign this document. Cheers, Jonne. -- Jonne Soininen Renesas Mobile Tel: +358 40 527 4634 E-mail: jonne.soini...@renesasmobile.com On 8/11/12 1:55 AM, "Bob Hinden" wrote: >I support the IETF and IAB chairs signing document. > >Bob > >On Aug 10,

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread Eliot Lear
On 8/17/12 4:21 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > The document says: > > o Bullet 15 is replaced by these two bullets: > > 15.1. Members of the Internet Society Board of Trustees and > sitting members of the IAB, the IESG, and the IAOC,

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, August 17, 2012 10:05 -0400 Russ Housley wrote: > The document says: > > o Bullet 3, paragraph 1 is replaced by this: > >The nominating committee comprises at least a > Chair, 10 voting volunteers, 4 liaisons,

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread S Moonesamy
At 07:05 17-08-2012, Russ Housley wrote: The document says: o Bullet 3, paragraph 1 is replaced by this: The nominating committee comprises at least a Chair, 10 voting volunteers, 4 liaisons, and an advisor. The Past Chair is missing. The Past

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, August 17, 2012 10:05 -0400 Russ Housley wrote: > The document says: > > o Bullet 3, paragraph 1 is replaced by this: > >The nominating committee comprises at least a > Chair, 10 voting volunteers, 4 liaisons,

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread Barry Leiba
Russ has raised a couple of good points. I like John's solution to one of them, and SM has proposed a good solution to the other off list. I have the following changes in the pending next version. I've slightly edited John's text, and Section 4, bullet 3, paragraph 1 will now change to this:

Re: IETF 92 in Dallas!

2012-08-17 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hi Bob, Is there any way to broaden the scope of IAOC choice and provide the candidate locations which would meet IETF criteria by any IETF member ? For example once I know the criteria I could check around in Poland to see if there is any place which would satisfy the future IETF venue. I

Re: IETF 92 in Dallas!

2012-08-17 Thread joel jaeggli
On 8/17/12 12:05 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote: Hi Bob, Is there any way to broaden the scope of IAOC choice and provide the candidate locations which would meet IETF criteria by any IETF member ? For example once I know the criteria I could check around in Poland to see if there is any place whic

Re: IETF 92 in Dallas!

2012-08-17 Thread Robert Raszuk
> Hotel contracts by their nature need to be negotiated under mutual > NDA unless you want all the vendors in the region to mysteriously > arrive at the same lower bound. All hotel rates are wide open and published on IETF web page. It's an interesting NDA which permits open disclosure ;-) Be

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread Michael StJohns
The advisor is the Immediately previous chair, or a member of the previous noncom designated by that chair if he/she declines to serve or is otherwise unavailable. Sent from my iPad On Aug 17, 2012, at 12:09, John C Klensin wrote: > > > --On Friday, August 17, 2012 10:05 -0400 Russ Housley

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, August 17, 2012 15:05 -0400 Barry Leiba wrote: > Russ has raised a couple of good points. I like John's > solution to one of them, and SM has proposed a good solution > to the other off list. I have the following changes in the > pending next version. > > I've slightly edited Jo

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, August 17, 2012 15:30 -0400 Michael StJohns wrote: > The advisor is the Immediately previous chair, or a member of > the previous noncom designated by that chair if he/she > declines to serve or is otherwise unavailable. That was what I thought until I reread 3777. It says that

Re: IETF 92 in Dallas!

2012-08-17 Thread joel jaeggli
On 8/17/12 12:20 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote: > Hotel contracts by their nature need to be negotiated under mutual > NDA unless you want all the vendors in the region to mysteriously > arrive at the same lower bound. All hotel rates are wide open and published on IETF web page. It's an interesting

Number of interim meetings?

2012-08-17 Thread Melinda Shore
Hi - Is anyone tracking the number of interim meetings? It seems as if the number has been growing quite a bit, although that may be a function of the number of working groups. It might be interesting to try to get a handle on whether or not there's been some sort of shift in working methods wi

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread Bob Hinden
Barry, SM, Given what started as a simple change has turned into many changes (14 changed paragraphs by my count), I am starting to think that doing a RFC3777 update document would be a better approach. Then it would be easy to look at a diff from RFC3777 and see all of the changes. Bob On A

Re: IETF 92 in Dallas!

2012-08-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, August 17, 2012 21:20 +0200 Robert Raszuk wrote: > Besides hotel is least worry as we do know the IETF rates for > the last few years and it is quite easy to check with any > hotel if they are willing to meet those targets or not. Actually, we don't (although one can deduce a lot

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Bob, At 13:24 17-08-2012, Bob Hinden wrote: Given what started as a simple change has turned into many changes (14 changed paragraphs by my count), I am starting to think that doing a RFC3777 update document would be a better approach. Then it would be easy to look at a diff from RFC3777 an

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread Bob Hinden
SM, On Aug 17, 2012, at 1:44 PM, S Moonesamy wrote: > Hi Bob, > At 13:24 17-08-2012, Bob Hinden wrote: >> Given what started as a simple change has turned into many changes (14 >> changed paragraphs by my count), I am starting to think that doing a RFC3777 >> update document would be a better a

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Bob, At 13:53 17-08-2012, Bob Hinden wrote: Yes, it would help for reviewing this draft, but it will still make it complicated for future noncom's to understand the rules. A single document would be easier to understand. Ok. I'll post a draft. I suppose an alternative would be to file an

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread Russ Housley
>> The document says: >> >> o Bullet 3, paragraph 1 is replaced by this: >> >> The nominating committee comprises at least a >> Chair, 10 voting volunteers, 4 liaisons, and an >> advisor. >> >> The Past Chair is missing. >> >> Th

Re: [IAOC] IETF 92 in Dallas!

2012-08-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, August 17, 2012 16:44 -0400 Dave Crocker wrote: >> --On Friday, August 17, 2012 21:20 +0200 Robert Raszuk >> wrote: >> >>> Besides hotel is least worry as we do know the IETF rates for >>> the last few years and it is quite easy to check with any >>> hotel if they are willing to

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-01.txt

2012-08-17 Thread Michael StJohns
Read section 10, 3rd paragraph of RFC3777. > The prior year's Chair may select a designee from a pool composed of the > voting > volunteers of the prior year's committee and all prior Chairs if the Chair is > unavailable. > If the prior year's Chair is unavailable or is unable or unwilling to

Re: IETF 92 in Dallas! ... vetting of alternatives

2012-08-17 Thread David Morris
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012, joel jaeggli wrote: > On 8/17/12 12:20 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote: > > > > > Hotel contracts by their nature need to be negotiated under mutual > > > NDA unless you want all the vendors in the region to mysteriously > > > arrive at the same lower bound. > > > > All hotel rate