[ietf-privacy] Fwd: draft-huitema-dnssd-privacy-01.txt

2016-06-22 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, In the dnssd WG, we are developing methods to enable scalable DNS-based service discovery, which in practice means enabling mDNS/DNS-SD to work over multiple links within a site. As defined, mDNS/DNS-SD are link-local protocols, not forwarded by routers. If successful, one ‘win’ is that

Re: NOMCOM - Time-Critical - Final Call for Nominations

2013-10-17 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, On 17 Oct 2013, at 15:09, NomCom Chair 2013 nomcom-chair-2...@ietf.org wrote: A critically low number of people have accepted nominations for some of the IESG open positions. There is only one nominee per slot in APP, OPS and TSV, only two in INT and RAI. Many folks have declined

Re: WG Review: Extensions for Scalable DNS Service Discovery (dnssd)

2013-10-03 Thread Tim Chown
: Proposed WG Chairs: Ralph Droms rdroms.i...@gmail.com Tim Chown t...@ecs.soton.ac.uk Assigned Area Director: Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com Mailing list Address: dn...@ietf.org To Subscribe: dnssd-requ...@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnssd Pre-WG BoF Archive: http

Re: decentralization of Internet (was Re: Bruce Schneier's Proposal to dedicate November meeting to saving the Internet from the NSA

2013-09-07 Thread Tim Chown
On 7 Sep 2013, at 04:05, j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) wrote: From: Scott Brim scott.b...@gmail.com The encapsulation is not much of an obstacle to packet examination. There was actually a proposal a couple of weeks back in the WG to encrypt all traffic on the inter-xTR stage.

Re: decentralization of Internet (was Re: Bruce Schneier's Proposal to dedicate November meeting to saving the Internet from the NSA

2013-09-06 Thread Tim Chown
On 6 Sep 2013, at 21:32, Roger Jørgensen rog...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Adam Novak interf...@gmail.com wrote: The IETF focused on developing protocols (and reserving the necessary network numbers) to facilitate direct network peering between private individuals, it

Re: Rude responses (sergeant-at-arms?)

2013-08-27 Thread Tim Chown
Isn't there supposed to be a sergeant-at-arms to handle inappropriate behaviour on this list? Though the last I recall that was Jordi, and that was probably ten years ago... Though it would be preferable if everyone were a bit more respectful of other posters, whether new or veteran. Tim

Re: IETF 88 - Registration Now Open!

2013-08-23 Thread Tim Chown
On 23 Aug 2013, at 18:49, manning bill bmann...@isi.edu wrote: and the hotel is fully booked…. I guess it got fixed Bill, though I only booked for the meeting week itself. tim /bill On 23August2013Friday, at 6:36, IETF Secretariat wrote: 88th IETF Meeting Vancouver, BC, Canada

Re: The Friday Report (was Re: Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org)

2013-08-04 Thread Tim Chown
On 4 Aug 2013, at 20:53, John Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote: If there is a serious drive to discontinue the weekly posting summary - I strongly object. As far as I can tell, one person objects, everyone else thinks it's fine. Seems like rough consensus to me. And the code is running… Tim

Re: dnssdext BOF (was: Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info))

2013-07-27 Thread Tim Chown
On 27 Jul 2013, at 02:20, Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: If I had known this was taking place I might have made the trip to Berlin. I am very interested in the problem this tries to solve. I think it is the wrong way to go about it but I am interested in the problem. The

Re: BOF posters in the welcome reception

2013-07-26 Thread Tim Chown
On 26 Jul 2013, at 07:36, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/24/13, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: --On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 09:22 +0300 IETF Chair ch...@ietf.org wrote: I wanted to let you know about an experiment we are trying out in Berlin. ... But

Re: dnssdext BOF (was: Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info))

2013-07-26 Thread Tim Chown
On 26 Jul 2013, at 21:48, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: --On Friday, July 26, 2013 11:29 -0700 SM s...@resistor.net wrote: POSH has not published a session agenda. However, the BoF is listed on the meeting agenda. Is the BoF cancelled or will this be one of those willful

Re: dnssdext BOF (was: Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info))

2013-07-26 Thread Tim Chown
On 26 Jul 2013, at 23:31, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: --On Friday, July 26, 2013 22:48 +0100 Tim Chown t...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: That means the charter agreed from the bashing of the draft charter in the previous 40 minutes, not that a charter is already agreed

Re: Remote participants access to Meeting Mailing Lists was Re: BOF posters in the welcome reception

2013-07-24 Thread Tim Chown
On 24 Jul 2013, at 16:18, Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote: Janet, I am another remote participant who would like to be able to subscribe to the meeting-specific mailing list. I can skip (myself) the ones about coffee and cookies, but definitely want to read the ones about

Re: IETF 87 Registration Suspended

2013-07-05 Thread Tim Chown
On 5 Jul 2013, at 15:30, John C Klensin j...@jck.com wrote: --On Friday, July 05, 2013 07:40 +0100 l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: It strikes me that 'membership fees' as opposed to 'entrance fees' could work around this payment issue. Or incur a different tax... But the use of a term like

Berlin BoFzilla

2013-06-19 Thread Tim Chown
So I was looking at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart to check the sdnssd BoF text, and was surprised to see a total of 15 proposed BoFs. That seems to be something of a record? That people are coming to the IETF with proposals to do work is probably a healthy thing; it would

Re: Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2013-06-07 Thread Tim Chown
On 7 Jun 2013, at 16:52, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: On Jun 7, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: So why not move the signal? Put IETF Last Call mail on last-c...@ietf.org and leave this list for everything else. The discussion still has to happen

Re: Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2013-06-07 Thread Tim Chown
On 7 Jun 2013, at 17:12, joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: On 6/7/13 6:03 PM, Tim Chown wrote: As another example, the v6ops list has recently also had four threads run well over the 100 message count, specifically end to end response time, ULA usage, being careful about ULAs

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-27 Thread Tim Chown
On 27 May 2013, at 05:15, John Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote: The move appears to be related to new, restrictive regulations the Argentine government has imposed on currency exchanges.' According to the Telegraph, 'The new regulations required anyone wanting to change Argentine pesos into

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-27 Thread Tim Chown
On 27 May 2013, at 16:37, John R Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote: Is this above advice from Tripadvisor correct? I believe so, but when I was there a few years ago for the ICANN meeting, excess cash was not a problem. It wasn't hard to estimate how much cash I'd need, and whatever was left

Re: Gen-art telechat review: draft-ietf-6renum-gap-analysis-06.txt (updated for -07)

2013-05-13 Thread Tim Chown
Yes, thanks all - I think we're nearly there… Tim On 13 May 2013, at 02:58, Liubing (Leo) leo.liub...@huawei.com wrote: Hi, Robert Your careful review and comments really helped improving the document a lot. Many thanks to you. All the best, Bing -Original Message- From:

Re: [renum] Gen-art review: draft-ietf-6renum-gap-analysis-05.txt

2013-05-06 Thread Tim Chown
with the idea that it would be an informative reference. but yes it's a bit much to say go read this. Of course we have to acknowledge it, but maybe we should pull some of its text into an Appendix. Tim Chown, any opinion? The most recent version (and the one slated for the next

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Tim Chown
On 6 Apr 2013, at 16:39, Stewart Bryant (stbryant) stbry...@cisco.com wrote: On 6 Apr 2013, at 14:04, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: If the date is special then thoes RFCs SHOULD be *historical*. Surely the correct requirement is : If the date is special

Re: Time zones in IETF agenda

2013-03-07 Thread Tim Chown
On 6 Mar 2013, at 22:09, Henrik Levkowetz hen...@levkowetz.com wrote: On 2013-02-27 10:20 Tim Chown said the following: On 26 Feb 2013, at 20:28, Martin Rex m...@sap.com wrote: I have a recurring remote participation problem with the IETF Meeting Agendas, because it specifies the time

Time zones in IETF agenda

2013-02-27 Thread Tim Chown
On 26 Feb 2013, at 20:28, Martin Rex m...@sap.com wrote: I have a recurring remote participation problem with the IETF Meeting Agendas, because it specifies the time of WG meeting slots in local time (local to the IETF Meeting), but does not give the local time zone *anywhere*. I would

Re: Useful slide tex (was - Re: English spoken here)

2012-12-04 Thread Tim Chown
On 3 Dec 2012, at 18:11, Fred Baker (fred) f...@cisco.com wrote: I agree with the notion that the primary purpose of the meeting is discussion. What you and I tell those who present in v6ops is that we want the presentation to guide and support a discussion, and anything that is pure

Re: IETF work is done on the mailing lists

2012-12-03 Thread Tim Chown
On 29 Nov 2012, at 18:51, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Hi Ed, At 06:54 29-11-2012, Edward Lewis wrote: Earlier in the thread I saw that someone expressed dismay that BOFs seem to be WG's that have already been meeting in secret. I agree with that. At the last meeting in Atlanta, I filled

Re: Newcomers [Was: Evolutionizing the IETF]

2012-11-17 Thread Tim Chown
On 16 Nov 2012, at 13:25, Carlos M. Martinez carlosm3...@gmail.com wrote: Moving the IETF forward will involve reaching out to other peoples, other regions, and yes, travel farther away once in a while. I also understand that we need to do our part in terms of fostering and increasing the

Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)

2012-08-07 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, My top three repeat venues would be Prague, Minneapolis and Vancouver. Great meeting venues, with everything you need nearby. My least favoured venues have been Dublin, Vienna and Maastricht. Of course, you have to experiment to find good repeat venues... Tim

Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)

2012-08-07 Thread Tim Chown
. Tim On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Tim Chown wrote: Hi, My top three repeat venues would be Prague, Minneapolis and Vancouver. Great meeting venues, with everything you need nearby. My least favoured venues have been Dublin, Vienna and Maastricht. Of course, you have to experiment

Re: Meeting lounges at IETF meetings

2012-08-03 Thread Tim Chown
On 3 Aug 2012, at 22:56, Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote: The issue that I experienced (and why I'm fussing) is that if you were attending many sessions in the Regency rooms (and moving rooms between sessions), it was extremely difficult to weave your way through the corridor

Re: Meeting lounges at IETF meetings

2012-08-03 Thread Tim Chown
On 3 Aug 2012, at 23:38, James Polk jmp...@cisco.com wrote: To me the exceptional aspects far outweighed the bad things - so I'm chalking this venue up as one of the best in 13 years of attending IETFs, and a *serious* contrast to the Paris venue (which I believe was one of the worst -

Re: Future Handling of Blue Sheets

2012-06-17 Thread Tim Chown
, or to the Fei Zhang who attends the Vancouver meeting, so I'm not sure what purpose it serves. Yoav -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tim Chown Sent: 16 June 2012 13:54 To: Joel jaeggli Cc: IETF Chair; IETF; ietf-boun

Re: Future Handling of Blue Sheets

2012-06-16 Thread Tim Chown
If the purpose is simply differentiation of people with the same names, could we not ask people to enter the last four digits of their IETF registration number, which would presumably be unique, while being easy to remember? The number could even be on your badge to always be easy to look up.

Re: primary Paris hotel booking

2012-01-23 Thread Tim Chown
On 20 Jan 2012, at 00:37, Stuart Cheshire wrote: Good suggestion Brian. I just called our corporate travel department and got the same rate as IETF, including free Internet and breakfast, and cancel by 6 PM on check-in day. Nice if you have such a department :) I booked a room by fax

Re: Requirement to go to meetings

2011-10-23 Thread Tim Chown
On 23 Oct 2011, at 18:28, Loa Andersson wrote: Nurit, I'm in the same situation, but part of the argument is right. If we do one North America, one Europe and one Asian meeting per year; places like Minneapolis and Phoenix is cheaper regardless where you come from. That is if you

Re: voting system for future venues?

2011-08-25 Thread Tim Chown
On 25 Aug 2011, at 14:58, Nathaniel Borenstein wrote: I'm not saying this is the whole problem -- and it would be interesting to graph US meetings separately -- but the weakness of the dollar has to be a factor. -- Nathaniel The graphs are really interesting, but the fact remains you can

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-24 Thread Tim Chown
On 24 Aug 2011, at 21:58, Donald Eastlake wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Geoff Mulligan geoff.i...@mulligan.com wrote: ... You could pick Rosemont, IL (next to O'hare) for every meeting (oops, sorry - misses on decent food). Minneapolis or Chicago, one place doesn't make

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-23 Thread Tim Chown
The room rate I see is 8500 TWD, which is $293 a night. That is a Grand King room, for 2 people. If you don't put G-23ET in the corporate/group box, it gets much worse! I'm guessing the web link on the IETF site should read

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-23 Thread Tim Chown
Oh, and *after* you book, it says Additional Charges 10.000 Percent service charge So the charge is 10% higher than what's displayed. It would be nice if the full charge was more up front. People checking for budget in advance may be unaware of this. Tim On 23 Aug 2011, at 13:22, Tim

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt (IPv6Support Required for all IP-capable nodes) to Proposed Standard

2011-08-23 Thread Tim Chown
On 22 Aug 2011, at 23:53, Brian E Carpenter wrote: +1 to Ned. I can't see why this draft seems to make some people go defensive - it isn't saying IPv4 is evil or anything silly like that, it's just saying IPv6 is the future. RFC1122v6 is another matter entirely. We clearly aren't ready

Re: IPv6 traffic distribution

2011-07-28 Thread Tim Chown
On 28 Jul 2011, at 21:51, Michel Py wrote: Lorenzo, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: http://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics/ Thanks for the update. Clarification: in your stats, is AS12322's traffic classified as native or as 6to4/teredo? Hi, I just ran a search through our Netflow

Re: [v6ops] 6to4v2 (as in ripv2)?

2011-07-27 Thread Tim Chown
On 27 Jul 2011, at 16:15, Mark Andrews wrote: Because it will come down to run 6to4 and be exposed to some bug or not run 6to4 but be safe from the bug. We already have vendors saying they are thinking about pulling 6to4 from their code bases if it becomes historic. I would note that

Re: [v6ops] 6to4v2 (as in ripv2)?

2011-07-27 Thread Tim Chown
On 27 Jul 2011, at 17:03, Mark Andrews wrote: 0d20eb6-78c9-415d-9493-3aa08faac...@ecs.soton.ac.uk, Tim Chown writes: a) use 6to4 anyway on an open platform like OpenWRT Which may or may not still have the code. OpenWRT could remove support just the same as another source could. OpenWRT

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-26 Thread Tim Chown
On 25 Jul 2011, at 15:30, Ronald Bonica wrote: Please post your views on this course of action by August 8, 2011. Some observations. Our own users made use of 6to4 maybe 8+ years ago, and at the time it was handy to have. Today though we're not aware of any of our users running 6to4

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-26 Thread Tim Chown
On 26 Jul 2011, at 15:14, Tim Chown wrote: So in summary, in practice 3484-bis and the 6to4-advisory off-by-default will further reduce what little use there is of 6to4 now, and happy eyeballs will mitigate any remaining instances of its use that are bad. So whether 6to4 is tagged

Re: reading drafts on an ipad

2011-07-08 Thread Tim Chown
On 7 Jul 2011, at 03:36, Glen Zorn g...@net-zen.net wrote: On 7/6/2011 10:38 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: Has anyone found a particularly good solution to reading drafts on an ipad? What about markup and notes on drafts? The iPad is a porn toy; get a real computer. You could save drafts

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-mboned-ssmping-08.txt (Multicast Ping Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-05 Thread Tim Chown
I think this draft specifies a very useful protocol, which we have used at our site and which has been a valuable multicast debugging tool. The specification and implementations have evolved over maybe 5-6 years or so. The implementations we've used have been of various stages of the

Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic

2011-07-03 Thread Tim Chown
On 3 Jul 2011, at 12:10, Gert Doering wrote: On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 11:11:43PM -0400, Keith Moore wrote: There's clearly a lack of consensus to support it. There's two very vocal persons opposing it and a much larger number of people that support it, but have not the time to write a

Re: whine, whine, whine

2011-06-21 Thread Tim Chown
On 21 Jun 2011, at 14:28, Ray Bellis wrote: On 21 Jun 2011, at 14:02, Simon Perreault wrote: Not going to argue about San Diego vs Québec, but just going to point out that multiple carriers do serve Québec. Among them are Air Canada, United, Continental, Delta, and US Airways. The

Re: Getting to Quebec City

2011-06-18 Thread Tim Chown
On 18 Jun 2011, at 17:08, John R. Levine wrote: As far as renting a car, it is likely a very good choice for anyone that is arriving in Montreal later in the day. I have a choice of one direct flight to Montreal that puts me arriving in Montreal 7pm. FYI, there is a direct bus from YUL

Re: one data point regarding native IPv6 support

2011-06-14 Thread Tim Chown
On 13 Jun 2011, at 16:28, Noel Chiappa wrote: If 6to4 has problems, fine, write a document that says something like '6to4 won't work for a host behind a NAT box because the host won't know it's true IPv4 global-scope address - so you should also not turn 6to4 on by default' and

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-04.txt (Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4 Clouds (6to4) to Historic status) to Informational RFC

2011-06-09 Thread Tim Chown
I agree the draft should be progressed, so add another +1 to the 'just ship it' people. On 9 Jun 2011, at 18:39, Keith Moore wrote: If pain associated with 6to4 provides an additional incentive for ISPs to deploy native v6, and for users to use native v6 when it becomes available, that's a

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-04.txt (Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4 Clouds (6to4) to Historic status) to Informational RFC

2011-06-08 Thread Tim Chown
On 8 Jun 2011, at 21:19, Keith Moore wrote: Nor, bluntly, is it about a few big content providers or whomever else you want to label as important. The internet is a hugely diverse place, and you don't get to dismiss the concerns of people whom you want to label as red herrings. Again,

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-04.txt (Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4 Clouds (6to4) to Historic status) to Informational RFC

2011-06-07 Thread Tim Chown
On 7 Jun 2011, at 07:33, Gert Doering wrote: Do we really need to go through all this again? As long as there is no Internet Overlord that can command people to a) put up relays everywhere and b) ensure that these relays are working, 6to4 as a general mechanism for attachment to the

IETF web site down for IPv6?

2010-10-11 Thread Tim Chown
Not having any luck connecting - seems to be an issue near the server: $ traceroute6 www.ietf.org traceroute6 to www.ietf.org (2001:1890:1112:1::20) from 2001:630:d0:f103:216:cbff:fe8b:752e, 64 hops max, 12 byte packets 1 2001:630:d0:f103::2 0.529 ms 0.299 ms 0.321 ms 2

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

2009-09-21 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 07:01:22AM -0700, Ole Jacobsen wrote: My personal belief, and the belief of many of have attended meetings in China is that the fear is unfounded. When I attended APAN24 in China, I felt the discussions in each session were very open. As with the IETF, there was

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning afuture mee ting of the IETF

2009-09-20 Thread Tim Chown
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 04:19:31PM +0300, Soininen, Jonne (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote: Hi, I think Steve has captured the core of the issue in this mail. I think his reasoning is the exact reason why we should go to Beijing with a positive attitude and have a great meetin in Beijing!

Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust

2009-08-03 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 10:09:56AM +0100, Dave Cridland wrote: Hmmm... That depends on what you think the shirt means. You imply it means participation - and I'll vocally resist any definition of participation which mandates attendance as a part of participation, since you're implicitly

Re: 75th IETF - Hotels

2009-04-16 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 08:49:55PM +0200, Michael Tüxen wrote: Does others also have a problem in reserving a room at the Clarion Sign? I get only a generic error message the the system can not process the reservation and I should check my data... You have to enter Stockholm as the location,

Re: Welcome to the Dnsop-honest mailing list

2009-03-25 Thread Tim Chown
And now it's happening for the dnsop list... On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:43:27PM -0400, dnsop-honest-requ...@lists.iadl.org wrote: Welcome to the dnsop-hon...@lists.iadl.org mailing list! This mailing list is for IETF DNSOP WG members to discuss IETF business without improper censorship. It

Re: RFC 3484 section 6 rule 9 causing more operational problems

2009-03-05 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 02:09:22PM +, Tony Finch wrote: It seems that Vista implements RFC 3484 address selection, including the requirement to sort IP addresses. This breaks a great deal of operational dependence on DNS-based load balancing, as well as being based on an incorrect

Re: Announcement: New Boilerplate Text Required for all new Submissions to IETF

2008-11-12 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, It would be great if the ietf list could be reminded when the new version of the rather excellent xml2rfc tool is issued, so we don't need to keep checking back for it. Thanks, Tim On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 06:03:36PM -0500, Ed Juskevicius wrote: Greetings. This message is to draw your

Re: Last Call: draft-irtf-asrg-dnsbl (DNS Blacklists and Whitelists)

2008-11-11 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 07:04:27PM +, Tony Finch wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Keith Moore wrote: okay. I found myself wondering if the change in address space size, and in granularity of assignment, might make DNSBLs less reliable. Which is a different kind of scalability. IPv6's

Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailing Lists

2008-04-15 Thread Tim Chown
Having a single system for all WG lists has the appeal that whatever process(es) handle the lists, it will be the same for all lists, so you don't have to figure out how N different lists are run. As a shameless plug, we have a free open source solution developed here which is widely used against

New web-based submission tool

2007-11-12 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, I'd just like to compliment whoever implemented the new web based IETF draft submission tool. Very simple to use and rather slick :) I'd noticed drafts appearing over the weekend rather than in a batch batch as usual this evening. Must be welcomed by the RFC editors too! Cheers, --

Re: New web-based submission tool

2007-11-12 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 08:53:37AM -0800, Dave Crocker wrote: Tim Chown wrote: I'd just like to compliment whoever implemented the new web based IETF draft submission tool. Very simple to use and rather slick :) +10 Easy to use, and astonishingly quick release for public access

Re: [DNSOP] Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil (Preventing Use of Recursive Nameservers in Reflector Attacks) to BCP

2007-10-03 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 05:29:43PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2007, Dean Anderson wrote: Maybe its not mentioned because its not a practical solution. But whatever the reason it isn't mentioned, a 25 million user VPN is not going to happen with 10/8. A comcast person

Re: IPv4 to IPv6 transition

2007-10-02 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 09:05:39AM -0400, Keith Moore wrote: Ray Plzak wrote: The shortage of IPv4 addresses in developing countries in a red herring. that has to rank as one of the most bizarre statements that's ever been made on the ietf list. More of an ostrich than a herring? .==._

Re: IPv6 will never fly: ARIN continues to kill it

2007-09-13 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 04:05:09PM +0900, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: Let me see if I understand this. Without PI, the enterprises say no, and with PI, the ISP's say no. Got it. I believe that a more constructive assessment is that enterprises are unwilling to pay

Re: Charging I-Ds

2007-07-31 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 04:51:56PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: To summary: what problem do we try to solve? either reducing ietf costs, or increasing ietf income do we know the 'cost per i-d'? or is that meaningless anyway while the i-d live in the automated part of the process? tim

Re: Charging I-Ds

2007-07-31 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 12:29:51PM -0400, Keith Moore wrote: also, publishing an I-D might be useful for other reasons - e.g. to establish prior art in case an idea or invention in the draft is ever patented by someone else. I have written or co-written a few drafts in the past purely as

Re: take the train in Chicago

2007-07-16 Thread Tim Chown
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 03:55:39PM -, John Levine wrote: ... walk from the Palmer House unless it's raining really hard. ... If it's raining, So there's me thinking Chicago in July will be mid 80's sunshine, and you mention rain twice in one email :) -- Tim

Problems with xml.resource.org

2007-03-26 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, [non xml2rfc users look away] I'm seeing xml.resource.org timing out today, and it seems consistent on one of the two returned IPv4 addresses I see for it (192.20.225.40). $ telnet xml.resource.org 80 Trying 168.143.123.173... Connected to xml.resource.org.

Re: Game theory and IPv4 to IPv6

2007-03-15 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 07:37:26AM -0700, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: The problem is that until IPv6 has critical mass it is much better to be on IPv4 than IPv6. If there are any grad students reading the list take a look at the game theory literature and apply it to the transition.

Re: Scary technology

2006-11-02 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 12:10:16AM -0800, Fred Baker wrote: if routing protocols aren't scary enough for you... http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/fortune/scary_tech/index.html Unexpected failure modes led to the early withdrawal of IPv5 -- Tim

Re: Fw: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process rather than some

2006-09-14 Thread Tim Chown
Isn't he barred from posting here? On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 07:51:27PM -0700, todd glassey wrote: I am forwarding this on behalf of Dean Anderson. Thanks --Dean On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Noel Chiappa wrote: From: todd glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why cant the IETF and

www.ietf.org unresponsive over IPv6?

2006-09-01 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, While I can establish a fast telnet session to port 80: $ telnet www.ietf.org 80 Trying 2001:503:c779:b::d1ad:35b4... Connected to www.ietf.org. Escape character is '^]'. Attempting to browse via MSIE leads to timeouts. Connecting explictly to http://209.173.53.180 to assure IPv4 works

Re: www.ietf.org unresponsive over IPv6?

2006-09-01 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 01:25:19PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: Tim Chown wrote: Hi, While I can establish a fast telnet session to port 80: $ telnet www.ietf.org 80 Trying 2001:503:c779:b::d1ad:35b4... Connected to www.ietf.org. Escape character is '^]'. Attempting to browse via MSIE

Re: www.ietf.org unresponsive over IPv6?

2006-09-01 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 02:48:10PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: How sure are you these have a MTU of 1500? Best way to test is to do ping6's in the form of ping6 -M do -s 1500 target and decrementing per 10 or 20 till it doesn't respond anymore and then increasing again. 19:

Re: An Absolutely Fantastic IETF Meeting Network - Redux

2006-07-13 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 06:36:45PM -0400, Ed Juskevicius wrote: To echo Harald's words from Dallas: - Just wanted to state what's obvious to all of us by now: - This time the wireless WORKED, and Just Went On Working. - THANK YOU! In addition, I want to extend my

Re: Pre-IPV6 maintenance of one of the www.ietf.org servers - 2006/06/03 - 12:00am EST

2006-06-06 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 09:29:21PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Tomorrow Saturday June 3 at 12:00am EST, we will be taking down one of the round robin www servers for the IETF (209.173.53.180) for maintenance in preparation for supporting IPV6. The outage should be less than 1

Re: Wasting address space (was: Re: Last Call: 'Considerations on the IPv6 Host density Metric' to Informational RFC (draft-huston-hd-metric))

2006-06-06 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 08:12:28PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: Having to choose between /60 and /48 would be much better than having to choose between /64 and bigger in general, as it removes the will I ever need a second subnet consideration, the average allocation size goes

Re: 66th IETF - Registration and Hotel Accommodations

2006-04-20 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 06:07:50PM -0500, Spencer Dawkins wrote: Thanks to IAD for opening registration (helps with visa requests, although this is less of a problem in Canada than elsewhere in North America). Yes, very nice to have the hotel and registration open 3 month in advance this

Re: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was: IPv6 vs. Stupid NAT tricks: false dichotomy? (Was: Re: Stupid NAT tricks and how to stop them.)

2006-03-30 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Mar 30, 2006 at 01:36:18PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: The thing that is good about IPv6 is that once you get yourself a / 64, you can subdivide it yourself and still have four billion times the IPv4 address space. (But you'd be giving up the autoconfiguration

Re: Stupid NAT tricks and how to stop them.

2006-03-28 Thread Tim Chown
Interesting discussion. Keith is hitting all the nails on the head. Phillip seems to suggest that consumers buy NATs out of choice. They don't have any choice. I surveyed my final years students last month. Just four have a static IPv4 allocation for their home network, and only one has more

Re: Stupid NAT tricks and how to stop them.

2006-03-28 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 01:54:52AM -0800, Michel Py wrote: Tim Chown wrote: If you deploy IPv6 NAT, you may as well stay with IPv4. You're the one who convinced me some three years ago that there will be IPv6 NAT no matter what, what's the message here? I think there will be IPv6 NAT

Re: Proposed 2008 - 2010 IETF Meeting dates

2006-03-27 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 10:38:03AM +0200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: I don't think the analogy holds, for a number of reasons. (As a matter of interest, there were about 6 participants out of 350 with addresses in Europe at the March 1991 IETF meeting, and about 19 out of 530 in March 1993. At

Re: Moving from hosts to sponsors

2006-03-26 Thread Tim Chown
On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 12:43:57PM -0500, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: Indeed. Not only is it small, it isn't where corporate bean counters put their attention, which is air fare, hotel, and per diem. Brian, this is not universally true. With cheaper air fares and not staying in the

Re: An absolutely fantastic wireless IETF

2006-03-24 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 11:35:13PM -0600, Ken Raeburn wrote: On Mar 23, 2006, at 21:58, Harald Alvestrand wrote: Just wanted to state what's obvious to all of us by now: This time the wireless WORKED, and Just Went On Working. That hasn't happened for a while. THANK YOU! Mmm... well, my

Re: Making IETF happening in different regions

2006-03-24 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 11:48:19PM -0600, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: The results is also better for all (even participants), because the logistics and local-planning is done more coherently. I think there's some unfair handwaving in this thread. One option however would be to seek

Re: Jabber chats (was: 2 hour meetings)

2006-03-24 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 07:49:46AM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote: Maybe there's an intermediate between email and full f2f time? Something like having well known jabber chats to simulate the quickness of f2f conversation without having to be there? There is some amount of precedence for this

Re: Jabber chats (was: 2 hour meetings)

2006-03-24 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 08:49:28AM -0800, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: You mean like holding a bi-weekly teleconference? VOIP is getting to the point where this is practical. Well yes, telecons are fine for design team work, but for an open interim meeting you need to determine which

Nokia 770?

2006-03-22 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, Is there any way a non-US citizen can buy one of the promotional 770's available at the event and walk out with a receipt in their name? -- Tim/::1 ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Venue requirements - canoe?

2006-03-20 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, I guess some people not in Dallas may have missed the news of the freak local flooding here. I was downtown with three colleagues and tried to come back to the hotel around 5.30pm Sunday and hit the huge traffic jam. Our taxi couldn't cross the freeway to the hotel side because the police

Re: v6 on the net in Dallas

2006-03-20 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 02:43:11PM -0600, Jim Martin wrote: Gentlepeople, Yesterday and this morning, we had an issue for the wired and wireless networks in the Terminal Room area that prevented IPv4 RAs from reaching the user devices. This has been resolved and we believe we have

Re: Meeting Survey Results

2006-01-25 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 08:45:51AM -0800, Ned Freed wrote: Are there cards with Mac OS X drivers nowadays? Yes there are. Here's the one I use: http://www.orangeware.com/endusers/wirelessformac.html There's a fairly long list of supported cards, some of which support 802.11a. I'm

IETFs... the final Friday?

2006-01-20 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, Has there been any discussion in the upper echelons of the IETF about the issue of Friday sessions? If you look back over past agendas, it's typically a day with around 3-5 meetings in one session to 11.30am, of which half or more are BoFs. Is this likely to continue, such that if you're

Re: hotels for Dallas?

2006-01-20 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 12:27:59PM +0100, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Registration for Dallas is in the final test stage, with a new system for credit card processing, and we want it to be rock solid. Should be open *really* soon now. And the hotel info? (And is the meeting ending 11.30am on

Re: Last Call: 'Classless Inter-Domain Routing (CIDR): The Internet Address Assignment and Aggregation Plan' to Proposed Standard

2005-11-23 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 10:52:23AM -0500, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Global Routing Operations WG to consider the following document: - 'Classless Inter-Domain Routing (CIDR): The Internet Address Assignment and Aggregation Plan '

Re: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria

2005-10-14 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 04:39:18PM +0200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Excuse me Stéphane, but I do not find these comments constructive. Anyone planning an international meeting for 1000+ people has to take a great many things seriously that you seem to think are amusing. We had some serious

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