On 3/6/2013 4:26 AM, Sam Hartman wrote:
However, there is something you can do. Take a quick moment to look at
the set of nominees and consider what you know about their
qualifications.
...
> I'd also appreciate private feedback on how I could improve my approach
for raising this concern. I'm
Dave, it seems to me that with your suggestion it feels as if
you (or we the community) want to redo some of the nomcom work?
I.e. you do not trust their evaluations?
They also have received (I presume) lots of feedback on the candidates
and probably did some interviews. We do not have that info.
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From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave
Crocker
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:57 AM
To: hartmans-i...@mit.edu
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
On 3/6/2013 4:26 AM, Sam Hartman wrote:
> Howe
> "Dave" == Dave Crocker writes:
Dave> And I have a further suggestion, which some other folk and I
Dave> happened to have discussed privately some time ago and
Dave> unrelated to the specific TSV situation...
Dave> There's an option available that the candidates might want
On 3/6/2013 6:03 AM, Bert Wijnen (IETF) wrote:
Dave, it seems to me that with your suggestion it feels as if
you (or we the community) want to redo some of the nomcom work?
I.e. you do not trust their evaluations?
They also have received (I presume) lots of feedback on the candidates
and probab
--On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 14:16 + Eric Gray
wrote:
>...
> So far, it has not been any part of the normal duties of an
> IESG member or AD to hold press conferences, glad-handing with
> the masses, baby kissing, etc.
>...
I can't speak to baby kissing but the above statement is t
ssage-
From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-i...@jck.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:22 AM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
--On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 14:16 + Eric Gray
wrote:
>...
> So far, it has n
essage-
> From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-i...@jck.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:22 AM
> To: Eric Gray
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
> Importance: High
>
>
>
> --On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 14:16 + Er
But it is most definitely NOT something that every AD has to be
> prepared to do...
>
> --
> Eric
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-i...@jck.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:22 AM
> To: Eric Gray
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Sub
Eric,
On 06/03/2013 14:29, Eric Gray wrote:
> John,
>
> I considered this before making my reply, especially in light of a
> number of recent
> events with which I am intimately familiar.
>
> To become the Chair of the IESG involves a second level of selection
> that is much
> mor
Eric: you may be thinking of the IAB chair. IETF chair / Gen AD is selected by
the noncom, whereas the IAB chair is selected by IAB members (from the pool of
the IAB members).
[Baby kissing? Now there is a job requirement that I missed… :-) ]
Jari
ely NOT something that every AD has to be
> prepared to do...
>
> --
> Eric
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-i...@jck.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:22 AM
> To: Eric Gray
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: Nomcom off
Thanks.
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From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:m...@lilacglade.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:46 AM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: John C Klensin; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
Hi Eric,
The IETF Chair (who also chairs
: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
Eric,
On 06/03/2013 14:29, Eric Gray wrote:
> John,
>
> I considered this before making my reply, especially in light of a
> number of recent events with which I am intimately familiar.
>
> To become the
Thanks, Mary.
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From: Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:40 AM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: John C Klensin; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
Eric,
You are describing the process
:-)
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From: Donald Eastlake [mailto:d3e...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:37 AM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
Eric,
As far as I know, that's completely wrong. The IETF
Hi Sam,
I think the Nomcom has made the right decision to bring the job requirement
discussion to the community.
The discussion about the evolution of the Transport Area had also been very
insightful to me.
I hope you provided your feedback to the Nomcom when they asked for it.
Ciao
Hannes
On 3/6/2013 6:17 AM, Sam Hartman wrote:
"Dave" == Dave Crocker writes:
Dave> Candidates could choose to circulate the first part
Dave> publicly.
I think having a public discussion of specific candidates would be
undesirable.
Just to be clear: I am not suggesting public disc
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
>
> On 3/6/2013 6:17 AM, Sam Hartman wrote:
>>>
>>> "Dave" == Dave Crocker writes:
>>
>> Dave> Candidates could choose to circulate the first part
>> Dave> publicly.
>>
>>
>> I think having a public discussion of specific
On 3/6/13 4:57 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> Candidates could choose to circulate the first part publicly.
I'm really, really against turning this into an election-like process
just because one nomcom did a bad job (and I agree they did).
Melinda
On 3/6/2013 9:05 AM, Melinda Shore wrote:
On 3/6/13 4:57 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
Candidates could choose to circulate the first part publicly.
I'm really, really against turning this into an election-like process
just because one nomcom did a bad job (and I agree they did).
It has always b
Hi,
> Just to be clear: I am not suggesting public discussion. I'm suggesting
> that candidates make their responses available to the community, so the
> community can have additional information for providing feedback to the
> Nomcom.
I agree with Dave on this.
I try to give feedback on
precisely as it should be).
--
Eric
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From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bob
Hinden
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 2:45 PM
To: dcroc...@bbiw.net
Cc: Bob Hinden; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Hi
Sam,
Thanks for raising this issue. The issue about what kind of candidates are
suitable for the task.
However, even if you asked us to not reply to your mail on the public list, I
wanted to do it for one aspect. I have a suggestion that relates to who you are
directing your criticism to. You'
--On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 09:35 -0800 Dave Crocker
wrote:
>...
> It has always been an election process. Nomcom does the
> voting.
>
> Candidates formulate their questionnaire responses and their
> Nomcom interviews in a manner to cast themselves in the most
> appealing light. They've de
b Hinden; dcroc...@bbiw.net
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
>
> Bob,
>
> This confuses me. Are you saying that you would be more able to
> give feedback on someone you don't know if you knew what they might
> have to say abo
nesday, March 06, 2013 2:45 PM
> To: dcroc...@bbiw.net
> Cc: Bob Hinden; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
>
> Hi,
>
>> Just to be clear: I am not suggesting public discussion. I'm suggesting
>> that candidates make thei
sponses it would be helpful to disclose.
:-)
--
Eric
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From: Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:22 PM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: Bob Hinden; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Trans
Behalf Of
> Mary Barnes
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:22 PM
> To: Eric Gray
> Cc: Bob Hinden; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
>
> Eric,
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Eric Gray
> wrote:
> > B
Eric,
On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Eric Gray wrote:
> Bob,
>
> This confuses me. Are you saying that you would be more able to give
> feedback on someone
> you don't know if you knew what they might have to say about themselves?
>
> I would think that - if you don't know somebody
Okay, thanks Bob. This makes sense...
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From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:36 PM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: Bob Hinden; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
Eric
[mailto:mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:22 PM
> To: Eric Gray
> Cc: Bob Hinden; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
> Importance: High
>
> Eric,
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:59 PM, E
> From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hin...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:36 PM
> To: Eric Gray
> Cc: Bob Hinden; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
> Importance: High
>
> Eric,
>
> On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:59 PM
nse...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hin...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:36 PM
> To: Eric Gray
> Cc: Bob Hinden; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
> Importance: High
>
On 03/06/2013 05:05 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
> On 3/6/13 4:57 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
>> Candidates could choose to circulate the first part publicly.
>
> I'm really, really against turning this into an election-like process
Speaking as someone who's filled in these things and both been
selecte
On 3/6/2013 3:11 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
On this specific point ...
Less likely, but still possible, a candidate may disclose
(presumably with permission based on the Nomcom's
confidentiality obligations when needed) truly confidential
material such as future job prospects or even plans withi
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Spencer Dawkins
wrote:
> On 3/6/2013 3:11 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
>
> On this specific point ...
>
>
>> Less likely, but still possible, a candidate may disclose
>> (presumably with permission based on the Nomcom's
>> confidentiality obligations when needed) truly
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Spencer Dawkins
wrote:
> On 3/6/2013 3:11 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
>
> On this specific point ...
>
>
>> Less likely, but still possible, a candidate may disclose
>> (presumably with permission based on the Nomcom's
>> confidentiality obligations when needed) truly
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Stephen Farrell
wrote:
>
>
> On 03/06/2013 05:05 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
>> On 3/6/13 4:57 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
>>> Candidates could choose to circulate the first part publicly.
>>
>> I'm really, really against turning this into an election-like process
>
> Spea
I'm really, really against turning this into an election-like process
just because one nomcom did a bad job (and I agree they did).
I've puzzled by this statement "nomcom did a bad job".
How could we, people outside of noncom, know that they did a bad job?
They are the only ones who have all th
On 3/9/13 1:46 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:
I'm really, really against turning this into an election-like process
just because one nomcom did a bad job (and I agree they did).
I've puzzled by this statement "nomcom did a bad job".
How could we, people outside of noncom, know that they did a bad job
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