Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-21 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 11:43, Ted Faber wrote: I request that the RFC editor will accept xml2rfc as an input format. I thought they did take it as a supplement or something, which I hope indicates that they are considering moving

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-18 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 09:22:10AM -0800, Ted Faber wrote: Getting anyone to change their authoring tool is difficult, so hoping for standardization on CVS input is pretty unlikely. In my experience, IETF contributors are an order of magnitude more stubborn than most authors, but even if

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-18 Thread Ted Faber
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 09:13:33AM +0100, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 09:22:10AM -0800, Ted Faber wrote: Getting anyone to change their authoring tool is difficult, so hoping for standardization on CVS input is pretty unlikely. In my experience, IETF

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-17 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 12:29:51PM -0800, Bill Fenner wrote: Straight revision control systems aren't actually that good for XML that's been edited in an XML editor, since they tend to pretty-print the XML when saving, and people using 2 different editors could end up creating diffs on every

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-17 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:45:00AM -0800, Ted Faber wrote: WRT revision control software on I-Ds, I think it's an excellent idea, but authors should use whatever they agree on. IMHO, the IETF doesn't need to provide a system. CVS vs. RCS vs. subversion vs. $DIETY knows what is too much of

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-17 Thread Ted Faber
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 09:25:03AM +0100, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:45:00AM -0800, Ted Faber wrote: WRT revision control software on I-Ds, I think it's an excellent idea, but authors should use whatever they agree on. IMHO, the IETF doesn't need to provide

RE: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas --web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-17 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
In OASIS the de facto document markup during the preparation of the documents is Word. The principle reason for this is that Word allows for changes to the document to be highlighted. The ability to see the differences to the document is critical if you want people to read it thoroughly more than

RE: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas --web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-17 Thread Lakshminath Dondeti
At 01:43 PM 11/17/2005, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: In OASIS the de facto document markup during the preparation of the documents is Word. The principle reason for this is that Word allows for changes to the document to be highlighted. The ability to see the differences to the document is

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas --web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-17 Thread Masataka Ohta
Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: In OASIS the de facto document markup during the preparation of the documents is Word. The principle reason for this is that Word allows for changes to the document to be highlighted. I tried and found that, if I modify figures there is no highlightning. Even if

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-16 Thread Ted Faber
On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 10:53:33AM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Fenner writes: I've been pondering change tracking, in the context of copy-editing, but I haven't come up with a complete thought yet. CVS? Should the Secretariat make CVS archives

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-16 Thread Bill Fenner
On 11/16/05, Ted Faber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Bill was talking about making his editing plug-in display changes to the document as change bars or whatnot. Right, whatnot. In actual fact, what I have been thinking of was a change-acceptance function for copy editing (show old, show

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-15 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Fenner writes: On 11/14/05, Stewart Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would not mind swapping from to an XML package provided it supported change-tracking, embedded comments, highlighting, WYSWYG display, edit time spell and edit time grammer checking, and

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-15 Thread Simon Josefsson
Steven M. Bellovin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Fenner writes: On 11/14/05, Stewart Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would not mind swapping from to an XML package provided it supported change-tracking, embedded comments, highlighting, WYSWYG display, edit

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-14 Thread Stewart Bryant
I too use Subversion and rfcdiff and xml2rfc. But there are people doing work (i.e. writing docs) in the IETF that do not work this way. They may find using a version control system to be time-wise expensive or prohibitive, especially compared to emailing track- change-docs back and

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-14 Thread Bill Fenner
On 11/14/05, Stewart Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would not mind swapping from to an XML package provided it supported change-tracking, embedded comments, highlighting, WYSWYG display, edit time spell and edit time grammer checking, and was a simple to install and maintain on XP. Is

RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-08 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 09:24:51AM -0800, Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 36 lines which said: The problems with HTML are almost entirely the result of people trying to give the author control over the final format which is none of the author's beeswax. BTW, does

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-08 Thread Andrew Newton
On Nov 8, 2005, at 4:26 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: BTW, does anyone who knows IETF and the RFC-editor function better than I do, can tell why RFC 2629 is not the mandatory official format for RFC, even now after six years? My guess is that it is not a trivial matter to convert RFCs

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-08 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 08:36:55AM -0500, Andrew Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 14 lines which said: My guess You mean there is nowhere an official statement and we have to guess? is that it is not a trivial matter to convert RFCs submitted in other forms into 2629 xml

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publication in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-08 Thread Andrew Newton
On Nov 8, 2005, at 9:25 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: You mean there is nowhere an official statement and we have to guess? Not that I know of, but I could be wrong. there are many people desiring some of the word processor features (track changes, etc...) that are just not found in the