Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM adoption

2009-07-31 Thread Steve Atkins
On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > I was curious by Scott comment re SPF. > > Is there a class of spam that cannot get a DKIM signature? > > I would think botnets would be that class, as they usually infect > computers and not sure they could DKIM sign as it would require them

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM adoption

2009-07-31 Thread Franck Martin
I was curious by Scott comment re SPF. Is there a class of spam that cannot get a DKIM signature? I would think botnets would be that class, as they usually infect computers and not sure they could DKIM sign as it would require them to set a DNS entry too. Knowing that botnets are 70% of spam

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM adoption

2009-07-31 Thread Dave CROCKER
Franck Martin wrote: > Yes the reputation of the domain override things, but what happens when > it is the first time a domain is seen? Does DKIM help or not? Does the presence of a signature provide any objective data about the goodness or badness of the signer? If the claim is that it does

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM adoption

2009-07-31 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:51:01 +1200 (FJT) Franck Martin wrote: >Yes the reputation of the domain override things, but what happens when it is the first time a domain is seen? Does DKIM help or not? > It can't. >Also, I'm thinking in terms of points like for spammassin. Seeing some patterns in t

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM adoption

2009-07-31 Thread Steve Atkins
On Jul 31, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > Yes the reputation of the domain override things, but what happens > when it is the first time a domain is seen? Does DKIM help or not? If there's no DKIM, then there's not really any obvious domain to be talking about when it comes to repu

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM adoption

2009-07-31 Thread Franck Martin
Yes the reputation of the domain override things, but what happens when it is the first time a domain is seen? Does DKIM help or not? Also, I'm thinking in terms of points like for spammassin. Seeing some patterns in the email increase or lower the points. I don't think a whole reputation judg

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM adoption

2009-07-31 Thread Steve Atkins
On Jul 31, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > Looking at DKIM adoption. I have seen statements that some mailers > will do DKIM based reputation if available, but I have yet to see a > statement as either: > -an email not signed with DKIM will have its reputation lowered > (less likel

[ietf-dkim] DKIM adoption

2009-07-31 Thread Franck Martin
Looking at DKIM adoption. I have seen statements that some mailers will do DKIM based reputation if available, but I have yet to see a statement as either: -an email not signed with DKIM will have its reputation lowered (less likely to pass filters) -an email signed with DKIM will have its repu

Re: [ietf-dkim] Escaping things in key/ADSP records

2009-07-31 Thread Steve Atkins
(This may be a duplicate, I have too many email addresses) On Jul 31, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:19:43 -0400 Tony Hansen wrote: >> I'm wondering if there is a need for a web interface at dkim.org that >> would validate someone's _domainkey TXT record. >> >

Re: [ietf-dkim] Escaping things in key/ADSP records

2009-07-31 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
> -Original Message- > From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim- > boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Scott Kitterman > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:09 PM > To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org > Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Escaping things in key/ADSP records > > On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:

Re: [ietf-dkim] Escaping things in key/ADSP records

2009-07-31 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:19:43 -0400 Tony Hansen wrote: >I'm wondering if there is a need for a web interface at dkim.org that >would validate someone's _domainkey TXT record. > I'd say yes. It would provide a good way to isolate record specific issues from other potential problems people are hav

Re: [ietf-dkim] Escaping things in key/ADSP records

2009-07-31 Thread Jim Fenton
Tony, If you still have the records, can you count the number of records with g=; ? That's used in an example in some of the DomainKey specs and works for DK but means "match nothing" for DKIM. -Jim Tony Hansen wrote: > Mark Martinec wrote: > > John Levine wrote: > >> It is certainly the kind

Re: [ietf-dkim] Escaping things in key/ADSP records

2009-07-31 Thread Tony Hansen
Mark Martinec wrote: > John Levine wrote: >> It is certainly the kind of bug that occurs in PHP scripts when the >> programmer doesn't perfectly understand the quoting rules. It's >> happened to me. > > I'm collecting a set of common mistakes breaking DKIM signatures. Pulling up a message f

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM summary report (IETF 75)

2009-07-31 Thread Dave CROCKER
Barry Leiba wrote: > (Removed SAAG from the cc list.) > >> Whats missing is possible a survey on why there is a market of >> potential implementators who are on the fence, have not gave the "go >> ahead" or are just plain leary about the whole thing, even among those >> who have been involved si