Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-11 Thread Hector Santos
Barry Leiba wrote: The DKIM Working Group requests the publication of draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10 as a BCP. Alternatively, this document might be suitable for Pete's Applicability Statement experiment, at the Proposed Standard level. Please see the attached PROTO writeup. Barry, DKIM

Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-11 Thread Barry Leiba
I'm sorry, Hector: I can't understand what you're saying in this message, nor what you want done. Barry, as chair On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 03:35, Hector Santos hsan...@isdg.net wrote: There is consensus of the working group, as a whole, behind it.  A minority of participants feel that the

Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-11 Thread Dave CROCKER
Barry, On 5/10/2011 6:45 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: The DKIM Working Group requests the publication of draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10 as a BCP. Alternatively, this document might be suitable for Pete's Applicability Statement experiment, at the Proposed Standard level. Why are you suggesting

Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-11 Thread Barry Leiba
1. The offer primarily serves to suggest that the document has questionable purpose or clarity. Offering to make the document a Proposed Standard, on the standards track, suggests that it's questionable? I fail to see that. 3.  As negotiating model's go, it is counter-productive to open with

Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-11 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 5/11/2011 8:22 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: 3. As negotiating model's go, it is counter-productive to open with a fall-back offer. Offering to participate in an unformulated experiment that has no schedule is a fallback, yes. There is no sense in which this is a fall-back. I see it as a

Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-11 Thread Barry Leiba
Perhaps I missed the working group discussion that agreed to this approach? This is a valid point. Sean, please consider that the working group did not discuss the possibility of changing the status from BCP to Proposed Standard. You might remove that from the writeup. Barry, as chair

Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-11 Thread John R. Levine
This is a valid point. Sean, please consider that the working group did not discuss the possibility of changing the status from BCP to Proposed Standard. You might remove that from the writeup. I suspect you would find signficant objection to making it a PS. Considering how little of the

Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-11 Thread Hector Santos
John R. Levine wrote: This is a valid point. Sean, please consider that the working group did not discuss the possibility of changing the status from BCP to Proposed Standard. You might remove that from the writeup. I suspect you would find signficant objection to making it a PS.

Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-11 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of John R. Levine Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:47 AM To: Barry Leiba Cc: DKIM Mailing List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-11 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 5/11/2011 10:17 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: I suspect you would find signficant objection to making it a PS. Probably not if it's made into an Applicability Statement: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-3.2 That's simultaneously a reasonable and a terrible idea. The

Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-11 Thread Pete Resnick
On 5/10/11 8:45 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: ...this document might be suitable for Pete's Applicability Statement experiment, at the Proposed Standard level. Leaving aside the question of whether or not this is a good idea... I am of course pleased to see that Barry has interest in my

Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-11 Thread Sean Turner
On 5/11/11 1:32 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: On 5/11/2011 10:17 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: I suspect you would find signficant objection to making it a PS. Probably not if it's made into an Applicability Statement: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-3.2 That's simultaneously a

[ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-10 Thread Barry Leiba
writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10 The DKIM Working Group requests the publication of draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10 as a BCP. Alternatively, this document might be suitable for Pete's Applicability Statement experiment, at the Proposed Standard level. (1.a) Who is the Document