RE: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-28 Thread Bill.Oxley
According to my DNS admin "Why are you putting all that crap in DNS? The MTA can do that!! Or use a web page!" Just passing along a reaction I got. Thanks, Bill Oxley Messaging Engineer Cox Communications, Inc. Alpharetta GA 404-847-6397 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From:

Re: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-28 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Stephen Farrell wrote: Folks, We all (or almost all) seem to be assuming that the DNS is the place to put SSP stuff. DNS is not the right place to put public keys either - its been shown here many that it makes DNS systems vulnerable to attack when you put such large rec

Re: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-28 Thread Arvel Hathcock
> We all (or almost all) seem to be assuming that the DNS is the > place to put SSP stuff. > > I just wanted to raise the question to see if that's a requirement > or just a near-accidental part of the current design proposals. I suppose that since the rest of DKIM is in DNS it seems logical to p

Re: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-28 Thread Dave Crocker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > According to my DNS admin > "Why are you putting all that crap in DNS? The MTA can do that!! Or use > a web page!" The 'stuff' is to be queried, so the mechanism that must be used is a query service. 1. An MTA does not provide a query service, so I do not understand

Re: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-28 Thread John Levine
>So is using the DNS in fact necessary? If it is, we may need text >that explicitly says why at some stage. I think we're all presuming that if a receipient uses SSP, it'll be doing a query per message to fetch the SSP info for that message. If we expect the query to be small enough that the quer

Re: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-28 Thread Dave Crocker
Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Folks, > > We all (or almost all) seem to be assuming that the DNS is the > place to put SSP stuff. > > I just wanted to raise the question to see if that's a requirement > or just a near-accidental part of the current design proposals. Let me suggest that it will b

RE: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-28 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Levine > I'm hoping that we can constrain the SSP info to a modest > number of bits, so DNS is is. If SSP bloats up to the point > where it doesn't fit in 512, then it's http. I think that if we follow the approach that the policy record specifies

RE: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-28 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 4:22 PM > To: 'John Levine'; ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org > Subject: RE: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff > is published... > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Levine > > > I'm hoping that we

Re: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-28 Thread Jim Fenton
Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Folks, > > We all (or almost all) seem to be assuming that the DNS is the > place to put SSP stuff. > > I just wanted to raise the question to see if that's a requirement > or just a near-accidental part of the current design proposals. > > So is using the DNS in fact nec

Re: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-29 Thread Dave Crocker
Jim Fenton wrote: > Stephen Farrell wrote: > I'll throw out a few generic requirements: Jim, these all look pretty reasonable, but they are all about the mechanism rather than being about sender signing practices, per se. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _

Re: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-29 Thread Hector Santos
- Original Message - From: "Dave Crocker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jim Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Jim Fenton wrote: >> I'll throw out a few generic requirements: > > Jim, these all look pretty reasonable, but they are all about > the mechanism rather than being about sender signing p

Re: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-29 Thread Jim Fenton
Dave Crocker wrote: > Jim Fenton wrote: > >> Stephen Farrell wrote: >> I'll throw out a few generic requirements: >> > > Jim, these all look pretty reasonable, but they are all about the mechanism > rather than being about sender signing practices, per se. > Sure. I was responding to St

Re: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-30 Thread Douglas Otis
On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 23:26 -0400, Hector Santos wrote: > - Definition should expose the following DKIM signer attributes: > > - List of allowable 3PS signers The term third-party signer should not be used to avoid confusion with designated signing domains and non-designated domains. The lis

Re: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-30 Thread Hector Santos
- Original Message - From: "Douglas Otis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It makes little sense to indicate "sometimes expected." How > would that be useful? First, lets keep in mind that "sometimes" or the neutral policy is currently the DKIM-BASE default behavior. It is also the default policy

Re: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-30 Thread Michael Thomas
Dave Crocker wrote: Stephen Farrell wrote: Folks, We all (or almost all) seem to be assuming that the DNS is the place to put SSP stuff. I just wanted to raise the question to see if that's a requirement or just a near-accidental part of the current design proposals. Let me suggest

Re: [ietf-dkim] Requirements on where/how SSP stuff is published...

2006-07-30 Thread Michael Thomas
Dave Crocker wrote: Jim Fenton wrote: Stephen Farrell wrote: I'll throw out a few generic requirements: Jim, these all look pretty reasonable, but they are all about the mechanism rather than being about sender signing practices, per se. True, but we do need to get both discovery