[kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

Hi info-cvs, Have you tried to rename a file and to retain the revision history? Karl suggested to cp the ,v file from the Repository. Which one? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Miklos - Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Envelope-to: qmi@localhost Subject: Re: rename

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

Hi Miklos, What he means is this: let's say that you want to rename file "foo.c" in your working copy to "bar.c", and you want the name change to sync up in the repository, without losing any of "foo.c"'s version history. You would then do the following: - Make sure no one else is acce

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave Storrs wrote: >Hi Miklos, > > What he means is this: let's say that you want to rename file >"foo.c" in your working copy to "bar.c", and you want the name change to >sync up in the repository, without losing any of "foo.c"'s version >history. You would

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

Or, you could copy the ,v file to the new location and move the original to the Attic. (Well, that's true if the rename is on the trunk. If it's on a branch only, don't move to the Attic.) That at least leaves the original version history in its original location. The downside that, of course,

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Wednesday, October 10, 2001 at 10:52:04 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > Generally speaking, renaming stuff in CVS is royal pain. You always lose > something. It's up to you to decide what you're willing to give up. You never loose any

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Wednesday, October 10, 2001 at 10:52:04 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> >> Generally speaking, renaming stuff in CVS is royal pain. You always lose >> something. It's up to you to decide wha

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

> * In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * On the subject of "Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs]" > * Sent on Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:06:14 -0400 (EDT) > * Honorable [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg A. Woods) writes: > > [ On Wednesday, October 10, 2001 at 10:52:04 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > > Subject

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Wednesday, October 10, 2001 at 14:40:11 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > In one method, you lose the ability to get a file's entire revision history > in one place (i.e. you must track down its old location(s) and fetch > additional histo

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On , October 10, 2001 at 17:31:23 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > if you rename FOO to BAR "the right way", i.e., > > $ mv FOO BAR > $ cvs rm FOO > $ cvs add BAR > $ cvs ci BAR > > then you lose in many ways: No, you lose absolutely no

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg A. Woods wrote: >> * 'cvs log BAR' does not list changes in file FOO > >Of course not You do not want it to! That would be illogical. That is false. Just because the tool doesn't do something doesn't mean we don't *want* it or that it is illogical. Some

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Wednesday, October 10, 2001 at 14:40:11 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> >> In one method, you lose the ability to get a file's entire revision history >> in one place (i.e. you must track down

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On , October 10, 2001 at 17:31:23 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> >> if you rename FOO to BAR "the right way", i.e., >> >> $ mv FOO BAR >> $ cvs rm FOO >> $ cvs add BAR >> $ cvs ci BAR >> >>

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

> * In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * On the subject of "Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs]" > * Sent on Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:03:59 -0400 (EDT) > * Honorable [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg A. Woods) writes: > > [ On , October 10, 2001 at 17:31:23 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] > > Subject: Re: [

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 02:13:06 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > This is only true if the user performing the steps above remembers to > include a comment. There's nothing to remember -- the entire process is fully and carefully d

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 05:44:16 (GMT), Kaz Kylheku wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg A. Woods wrote: > >> * 'cvs log BAR' does not list changes in file FOO > > > >Of course not You do not want it to! That woul

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 01:59:20 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > And not only do you lose the ability to get a file's entire version > history with a single "cvs log", That is not a loss -- it is a gain. You have it backwards. >

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On , October 11, 2001 at 10:39:50 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > why? this is the same file. no, actually it is not. You are not properly understanding how CVS uses filenames and how it manages change to those files. CVS tracks change

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg A. Woods wrote: >[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 05:44:16 (GMT), Kaz Kylheku wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg A. Woods wrote: >> >> * 'cvs log BAR' does not list changes in file FOO >

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

> * In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * On the subject of "Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs]" > * Sent on Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:47:09 -0400 (EDT) > * Honorable [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg A. Woods) writes: > > [ On , October 11, 2001 at 10:39:50 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] > > Subject: Re: [

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg A. Woods wrote: >[ On , October 11, 2001 at 10:39:50 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> >> why? this is the same file. > >no, actually it is not. It's only not the same file because of the braindamaged ver

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sam Steingold wrote: >> * In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> * On the subject of "Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs]" >> * Sent on Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:47:09 -0400 (EDT) >> * Honorable [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg A. Woods) writes: >> >> [ On , October 11, 2001 at

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 19:15:30 (GMT), Kaz Kylheku wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > It's irrational to want the present implementation of a tool to do > something that it isn't designed to do. CVS cannot represent the idea > that BAR was once called FO

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 19:51:13 (GMT), Kaz Kylheku wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > It's only not the same file because of the braindamaged version control > system which cannot represent that semantic idea! As far as the user is > concerned, it is the

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

> * In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * On the subject of "Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs]" > * Sent on Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:03:50 -0400 (EDT) > * Honorable [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg A. Woods) writes: > > [ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 05:44:16 (GMT), Kaz Kylheku wrote: ] > > Subject: R

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg A. Woods wrote: >[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 19:15:30 (GMT), Kaz Kylheku wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> >> It's irrational to want the present implementation of a tool to do >> something that it isn't designed to do. C

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On , October 11, 2001 at 15:48:02 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > But calling "cvs add/rm" "the right way" instead of adding "cvs mv" is > not correct - exactly because it leads us to the situation when CVS is > expected to deny the truth

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 20:15:10 (GMT), Kaz Kylheku wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > In fact I have the same impression. It consistently *appears* as if Greg > wants people to accept the limitations of CVS to an irrational degree. Well, if you don't wa

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

> * In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * On the subject of "Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs]" > * Sent on Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:08:07 -0400 (EDT) > * Honorable [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg A. Woods) writes: > > I suggest you do a survey of similar tools and count the number that > can do exactly

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

> * In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * On the subject of "Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs]" > * Sent on Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:51:02 -0400 (EDT) > * Honorable [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg A. Woods) writes: > > [ On , October 11, 2001 at 15:48:02 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] > > Subject: Re: [

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

%% Sam Steingold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: sam> Could you please elaborate? It is pointless to argue about this. Many have tried before you, and if history is any judge you will accomplish nothing in the attempt. sam> Don't get me wrong. CVS is a great tool. Let's make it even sam> b

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg A. Woods wrote: >[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 20:15:10 (GMT), Kaz Kylheku wrote: ] >> In fact, I must stop seeing file renames as legitimate >> version control events. > >I certainly didn't say that either. That's great! I was hoping you'd be goaded int

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sam Steingold wrote: >> * Honorable [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg A. Woods) writes: >> >> [ On , October 11, 2001 at 15:48:02 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] >> > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> > >> > But calling "cvs add/rm" "the right way" instea

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku) writes: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg A. Woods wrote: > >Let me repeat: You DO NOT want or need to have "cvs log BAR" list > >changes in the file "FOO". To want that is illogical. It is > >unnecessary! > > It's irrational to want the present implementa

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 21:33:05 (GMT), Kaz Kylheku wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > To counter your insulting claim that wishing for a hygienic renaming > feature is illogical. Since that claim was posted here, my reply is > posted here also. Look if

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On , October 11, 2001 at 17:55:15 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > > * In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * On the subject of "Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs]" > > * Sent on Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:08:07 -0400 (EDT) > > * Honorable

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On , October 11, 2001 at 18:16:55 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > why? why can't "cvs mv" just rename the *,v file? R.T.F.M. PLEASE! -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On , October 11, 2001 at 17:31:05 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > Why can't I see the log for all of them in one command? Because that's not the way CVS works. > Consider a versioning file system which has a native idea of file version.

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

>--- Forwarded mail from Greg Woods: >[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 01:59:20 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> >> And not only do you lose the ability to get a file's entire version >> history with a single "cvs log", >That is not a loss

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

>--- Forwarded mail from Greg Woods: >[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 05:44:16 (GMT), Kaz Kylheku wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg A. Woods wrote: >> >> * 'cvs log BAR' does not list changes in file FOO >> > >> >Of cou

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

> * In message <6npx7.65227$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * On the subject of "Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs]" > * Sent on Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:50:42 GMT > * Honorable [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku) writes: > > >why can't "cvs mv" just rename the *,v file? > > Because then if you check

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 23:12:44 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > >--- Forwarded mail from Greg Woods: > >Let me repeat: You DO NOT want or need to have "cvs log BAR" list > >changes in the file "FOO". To want that is illogical.

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 23:08:38 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > I gain the requirement of having to type multiple "cvs log" or "cvs rlog" > commands, after figuring out every place a file has lived during its > lifetime. I gain t

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On , October 12, 2001 at 10:59:41 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > I wonder why "Greg A. Woods" could no say that as a reply to the _first_ > message suggesting this. Because you could have figured this out with only the tiniest amount of

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

> * In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * On the subject of "Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs]" > * Sent on Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:04:14 -0400 (EDT) > * Honorable [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg A. Woods) writes: > > [ On , October 12, 2001 at 10:59:41 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] > > Subject: Re: [

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 23:08:38 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> >> I gain the requirement of having to type multiple "cvs log" or "cvs rlog" >> commands, after figuring out every place

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 23:12:44 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> >> >--- Forwarded mail from Greg Woods: >> >Let me repeat: You DO NOT want or need to have "cvs log BAR" list >> >change

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Sander wrote: >>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 23:12:44 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >>> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >>> >>> >--- Forwarded mail from Greg Woods: >>> >Let me repeat: You

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Friday, October 12, 2001 at 21:07:09 (GMT), Kaz Kylheku wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > Not really. CVS does not support renaming. In that sense, its version > management is incomplete. Let's not confuse incompleteness with > incorrectness. Deleting a file a

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On , October 12, 2001 at 13:51:10 (-0400), Sam Steingold wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > Also, the manual does _not_ explain why cvs cannot do what is described > in with "cvs mv" > and

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Sander wrote: >>>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>[ On Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 23:12:44 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >--- Forwa

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Sander wrote: >>It only looks broken when we call it renaming; calling it renaming doesn't >>make it renaming. > >Fine. CVS doesn't support renaming. We all know that. So it's incomplete. >Some would still claim that its lack of support for renaming means th

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Saturday, October 13, 2001 at 01:23:14 (GMT), Kaz Kylheku wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > The problem is, I wouldn't hold my breath. You'll certainly turn blue if you try. CVS cannot easily ever support renaming to any extent that something like BitKeeper

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CVS cannot easily ever support renaming to any extent that something >like BitKeeper or Perforce does, at least not without breaking backwards >compatabilty of the repository structure. >There's simply no place to put the extra meta data necessary exce

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Friday, October 12, 2001 at 20:34:48 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > They can be stored in newphrases inside the RCS files, without breaking > compatibility. It's still the wrong way to do it, but it's an improvement > over the status q

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg A. Woods wrote: >[ On Saturday, October 13, 2001 at 01:23:14 (GMT), Kaz Kylheku wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> >> The problem is, I wouldn't hold my breath. > >You'll certainly turn blue if you try. > >CVS cannot easily ever

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Saturday, October 13, 2001 at 06:16:25 (GMT), Kaz Kylheku wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg A. Woods wrote: > > > > There's simply no place to put the extra meta data necessary except in > > the commit comments themselves,

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Friday, October 12, 2001 at 20:34:48 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> >> They can be stored in newphrases inside the RCS files, without breaking >> compatibility. It's still the wrong way to d

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Saturday, October 13, 2001 at 12:34:03 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > Greg A. Woods wrote: > > > > [ On Friday, October 12, 2001 at 20:34:48 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > > > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > > >

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Saturday, October 13, 2001 at 12:34:03 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> >> Greg A. Woods wrote: >> > >> > [ On Friday, October 12, 2001 at 20:34:48 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> > > Subject:

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

[ On Sunday, October 14, 2001 at 01:49:56 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] > > Assuming that some kind of rename capability is built into CVS that > stores additional metadata in the repository, then THAT version of > CVS would become the standard

Re: [kfogel@collab.net: Re: rename in cvs]

>--- Forwarded mail from Greg Woods: >[ On Sunday, October 14, 2001 at 01:49:56 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: rename in cvs] >> >> Assuming that some kind of rename capability is built into CVS that >> stores additional metadata in the repository, then THAT