RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-07-06 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from Greg Woods: >[ On Friday, July 2, 2004 at 12:49:58 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... >> >> >--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >[ On Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 22:59:27 (

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-07-05 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Friday, July 2, 2004 at 12:49:58 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > >--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >[ On Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 22:59:27 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > >> Subject:

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-07-02 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 22:59:27 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... >> >> >(A) they're not "sources" -- they're intermediate product files. >> >&g

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-07-02 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Thursday, July 1, 2004 at 14:33:11 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...) > > What are you talking about? I can think of only two ways that CVS > "uses" the deltas: Well, as usual you got off on the wrong trac

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-07-02 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 22:59:27 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > >(A) they're not "sources" -- they're intermediate product files. > > They're not "intermediate product files" unless the

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-07-01 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Monday, June 28, 2004 at 14:58:03 (-0700), Mark D. Baushke wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...) >> >> Yes, but diff is not diff3. diff is used for the >> delta format. diff

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-07-01 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Monday, June 28, 2004 at 19:02:19 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...) >> >> I have never, ever advocated changing the format of an RCS file in a >> way th

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-30 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Monday, June 28, 2004 at 18:31:58 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... >> >> On three separate occasions, Greg actually *recommends* intalling and >> treating such code drops a

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-30 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 19:34:25 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > When you speak about how great NASA is and mention the antiquity of some > of their processes, remember that the paper checklists have since > contributed to

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-06-30 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Monday, June 28, 2004 at 14:58:03 (-0700), Mark D. Baushke wrote: ] > Subject: Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...) > > Yes, but diff is not diff3. diff is used for the > delta format. diff3 is used by rcsmerge, not for > fundamental version deltas. I think

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-06-30 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 02:18:26 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...) > > >I.e. How do you propose to make it possible for the standard RCS tools > >alone to re-create _every_ revision from all files created by thi

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-06-30 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Monday, June 28, 2004 at 19:02:19 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...) > > I have never, ever advocated changing the format of an RCS file in a > way that would break the ci, co, rcs, or rlog programs. And although

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-30 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Monday, June 28, 2004 at 18:31:58 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > On three separate occasions, Greg actually *recommends* intalling and > treating such code drops as uncontrolled sources! Paul, please stop mirepresenting what I ha

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-29 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Monday, June 28, 2004 at 11:00:23 (-0400), Jim.Hyslop wrote: ] >> Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... >> >> Any manual procedure is prone to error. I prefer to automate things as much >> as possible, to min

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-06-29 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Paul Sander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>=20 >> Rather than use a hint to expose an >> implementation detail, I suggest recording a >> data type instead. Maybe even a MIME type. Then >> provide a suitable m

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-06-29 Thread Mark D. Baushke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Sander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Rather than use a hint to expose an > implementation detail, I suggest recording a > data type instead. Maybe even a MIME type. Then > provide a suitable mechani

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-06-29 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Monday, June 28, 2004 at 01:44:36 (-0700), Mark D. Baushke wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...) >> >> The RCS format is very extensible and in fact the >> CVSNT folks have exte

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-06-29 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark, I agree with your response to Greg's claims about RCS compatibility, or the lack thereof. >In particular, I am not aware of any fundamental >problems rcs 5.7 will have if someone were to >introduce a new keyword which would name a program >other th

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-06-28 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from Greg Woods: >[ On Thursday, June 17, 2004 at 16:49:42 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...) >> >> If this is true, then we're in violent agreement. But to date, you have >> argued t

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-28 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Thursday, June 17, 2004 at 15:49:39 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... >> >> Nope, I got it. The thing is, you can control pointers (e.g. makefiles >> containing reference

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-06-28 Thread Mark D. Baushke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg A. Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [ On Monday, June 28, 2004 at 01:44:36 (-0700), Mark D. Baushke wrote: ] > > Subject: Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...) > > > > The RCS format is very

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-28 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Monday, June 28, 2004 at 11:00:23 (-0400), Jim.Hyslop wrote: ] > Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > Any manual procedure is prone to error. I prefer to automate things as much > as possible, to minimize the possibility of human error. Any time I see a > manual pr

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-06-28 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Monday, June 28, 2004 at 01:44:36 (-0700), Mark D. Baushke wrote: ] > Subject: Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...) > > The RCS format is very extensible and in fact the > CVSNT folks have extended it already and I have had > no problems using CVSNT

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-28 Thread Jim.Hyslop
Greg A. Woods wrote: While I agree with most of what you wrote, I'd like to examine this one a little more: > Also what you and many other folks seem to forget as well is > that manual procedures and processes can be far easier and > more effective than canned software tools for implementing >

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-06-28 Thread Mark D. Baushke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Greg, Greg A. Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > RCS compatability is far more than just the > adherence to the syntax defined in rcsfile(5). Is it? I think I must be missing something here. The RCS format is very extensible and in fact the CVS

Re: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-06-26 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Thursday, June 17, 2004 at 16:49:42 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...) > > If this is true, then we're in violent agreement. But to date, you have > argued that making the necessary changes to CVS to give better s

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-26 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Thursday, June 17, 2004 at 15:49:39 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > Nope, I got it. The thing is, you can control pointers (e.g. makefiles > containing references to files stored in a library somewhere) all you > want, but that b

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-26 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Thursday, June 17, 2004 at 17:34:20 (-0400), Jim.Hyslop wrote: ] > Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > Ah, I think I've spotted the root of this disagreement. I was not talking > about static information, but binary information that can, and does, change. Yeah, w

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-19 Thread Adrian Constantin
--- Lars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > --- "Mark D. Baushke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Checking in binary files is not encouraged for cvs > >>use. > > > > Well what can I do ? It happends that my project > (a > > web site) includes binary files... > >

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-18 Thread Tom Copeland
On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 18:16, Greg A. Woods wrote: > > Hm. Why not simply check these jar files into the repository where they > > can be tagged/branched/exported and so forth? Why should every > > programmer on my team need to get all the versions of each jar file laid > > out on his machine when

Smoke, FUD (was Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...)

2004-06-17 Thread Paul Sander
Whew, the smoke's getting thick in here! >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Thursday, June 17, 2004 at 13:06:44 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... >> >> Current releases of CVS do the latter. (Don't believe me? Look at >

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Mark D. Baushke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Gorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Can you point to an alternative to CVS that is also free? Certainly. There are a number of such programs. Here are the Open Source and/or Free Software Source or configuration management programs: Aegis

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Doug Lee
Jun 17, 2004 at 06:16:32PM -0400, Greg A. Woods wrote: > [ On Thursday, June 17, 2004 at 16:25:02 (-0400), Tom Copeland wrote: ] > > Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > > > Hm. Why not simply check these jar files into the repository where they > > can be t

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Thursday, June 17, 2004 at 13:09:09 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... >> >> I've done revision control by backup, and I've done revision control >> by naming conve

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >At 1:40 PM -0700 6/17/04, Paul Sander wrote: >> >Why would it not work well to use a CVS Wrapper to binhex (uuencode, >>>etc.) a binary file and then essentially have CVS to only see your >>>file as a text file? >> >>The key is that there's a distinctio

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Thursday, June 17, 2004 at 17:03:34 (-0400), Eric Gorr wrote: ] > Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > #1 is, of course, a very compelling reason to use any piece of > software that works. Can you point to an alternative to CVS that is > also free? Check the vario

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Thursday, June 17, 2004 at 13:09:09 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > I've done revision control by backup, and I've done revision control > by naming convention. Both have proven to be disasters. Obviously you tried to

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Thursday, June 17, 2004 at 13:06:44 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > Current releases of CVS do the latter. (Don't believe me? Look at > the function named RCS_merge in the rcscmds.c source file.) It's a > sim

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Thursday, June 17, 2004 at 16:25:02 (-0400), Tom Copeland wrote: ] > Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > Hm. Why not simply check these jar files into the repository where they > can be tagged/branched/exported and so forth? Why should every > programmer on my t

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Eric Gorr
At 1:40 PM -0700 6/17/04, Paul Sander wrote: >Why would it not work well to use a CVS Wrapper to binhex (uuencode, etc.) a binary file and then essentially have CVS to only see your file as a text file? The key is that there's a distinction between text files and mergeable files. Programs like bi

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Jim.Hyslop
Greg A. Woods wrote: > [ On Wednesday, June 9, 2004 at 09:15:24 (-0400), Jim.Hyslop wrote: ] > > Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > > > Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, shall we? Granted, > > CVS was not *originally* designed to hand

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >At 4:02 PM -0400 6/17/04, Greg A. Woods wrote: >I have no problem using/learning new tools. I'd personally love to be >able to use VooDoo for version control, but there are two problems: >1. It's not free >2. There is no standalone client for it >3. T

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Eric Gorr
At 4:02 PM -0400 6/17/04, Greg A. Woods wrote: People just need to learn to use the right tool for the job and to quit being so bloody narrow minded when it comes to learning about new tools. First, I do not claim to have anything resembling expert (or even mediocre) knowledge in the usage of CVS

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Wednesday, June 9, 2004 at 09:15:24 (-0400), Jim.Hyslop wrote: ] >> Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... >> >> Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, shall we? Granted, CVS was >> not *original

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Tuesday, June 8, 2004 at 16:21:03 (-0700), Mark D. Baushke wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... >> It may be that the diff3 algorithm is not always >> the best one suited to do such mergers. >That

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Tom Copeland
On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 16:12, Greg A. Woods wrote: > > Most of my Java projects use 3rd party jar files, > > which are compressed tar balls, more or less. And I certainly don't > > want to try to merge foolib-0.1.jar with foolib-0.2.jar when a new > > version comes out; I just want to put it in CV

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Wednesday, June 9, 2004 at 09:35:37 (-0400), Tom Copeland wrote: ] > Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 17:42, Paul Sander wrote: > > Keep in mind also that there's a difference between "binary files" and > > "mer

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Wednesday, June 9, 2004 at 09:15:24 (-0400), Jim.Hyslop wrote: ] > Subject: RE: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, shall we? Granted, CVS was > not *originally* designed to handle binary files. Granted, CVS does not > ha

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Tuesday, June 8, 2004 at 16:21:03 (-0700), Mark D. Baushke wrote: ] > Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > In my view, CVS was designed to add a model of > concurrent modification and automatic merges on > top of the previously existing Revision Control > System

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-17 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Tuesday, June 8, 2004 at 15:01:10 (-0700), Adrian Constantin wrote: ] > Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > > --- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [ On Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 13:01:48 (-0700), > > Adrian Constantin wrote:

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-09 Thread Tom Copeland
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 17:42, Paul Sander wrote: > Keep in mind also that there's a difference between "binary files" and > "mergeable files". That's a neat point. Most of my Java projects use 3rd party jar files, which are compressed tar balls, more or less. And I certainly don't want to try t

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-09 Thread Carucci, Jason
ssage- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian Constantin Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 6:01 PM To: CVS-II Discussion Mailing List Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... --- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ On Saturday, June 5,

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-09 Thread Jim.Hyslop
Greg A. Woods wrote: > [ On Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 13:01:48 (-0700), Adrian > Constantin wrote: ] > > Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > > > I don't wanna merge binary files, and I'm not likely to > modify them in > > my module (project

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-08 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Greg writes: >> CVS is designed _only_ for tracking changes in >> human written text files. >Paul writes: >> Keep in mind also that there's a difference >> between "binary files" and "mergeable files". >> The two concepts are in fact orthogonal; there >

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-08 Thread Mark D. Baushke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Folks, Greg writes: > CVS is designed _only_ for tracking changes in > human written text files. Paul writes: > Keep in mind also that there's a difference > between "binary files" and "mergeable files". > The two concepts are in fact orthogonal;

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-08 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 20:52:06 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... >> >> Yeah, well, sending such hapless people away is easier >> than fixing the tool. >The tool is not

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-08 Thread Adrian Constantin
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ On Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 13:01:48 (-0700), > Adrian Constantin wrote: ] > > Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > > > I don't wanna merge binary files, > > Then your better

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-08 Thread Paul Sander
Oops, I omitted the Sept. 16 patch. Here it is at the bottom. --- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ On Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 20:52:06 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... >> >>

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-08 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Source files are any files that cannot >> be reproduced automatically. >Nope, that's wrong too. >Source files are those files written and edited by humans. That's exactly what I said. Read that sentence again. >Source _code_ is human (and machine)

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-08 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 13:01:48 (-0700), Adrian Constantin wrote: ] > Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > I don't wanna merge binary files, and I'm not likely > to modify them in my module (project). I just want cvs > to carry them along with the sourc

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-08 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 20:52:06 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > Yeah, well, sending such hapless people away is easier > than fixing the tool. The tool is not "broken" -- I.e. there's nothing to fix! CVS is d

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-08 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 17:10:58 (-0700), Paul Sander wrote: ] > Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > Source files are any files that cannot > be reproduced automatically. Nope, that's wrong too. Source files are those files written and edited by humans. Sourc

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-07 Thread Larry Jones
Mark D. Baushke writes: > > If someone wants to write a patch that will run the > equivalent of 'file' on new source files to determine that > the file needs -kb by default, that would be a useful > extension to cvs client mode for both 'cvs add' and 'cvs > import' cases. Note carefully that Mark

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-06 Thread Mark D. Baushke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gianni Mariani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mark D. Baushke wrote: > > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >Adrian Constantin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > ... > > >If someone wanted to hack in an automagical > >recognit

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-06 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >* On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 08:38:15PM -0700 Gianni Mariani wrote: >* >> Peter Connolly wrote: >> >> >>Too dificult to set up, I think Shouldn't cvs have a list of binary >> >>file types preinstalled in the cvswrappers ? >> > >> >I agree, it should. >> >

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-06 Thread Gianni Mariani
Mark D. Baushke wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adrian Constantin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... If someone wanted to hack in an automagical recognition system that could be enabled for binary file types, I suppose we could consider adding it. It already exists, it's cal

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-06 Thread Gianni Mariani
Spiro Trikaliotis wrote: Hello, Hi ! ... If you have so much fear about binary files, why don't you put * -kb into your cvswrappers, and declare any text file explicitly? This way, you cannot miss the binary files. Actually, that was suggested 3 years ago as well. It turns out to be a very

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-06 Thread Spiro Trikaliotis
Hello, * On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 08:38:15PM -0700 Gianni Mariani wrote: * > Peter Connolly wrote: > > >>Too dificult to set up, I think Shouldn't cvs have a list of binary > >>file types preinstalled in the cvswrappers ? > > > >I agree, it should. > > > I second that ! I did 3 years ago. > > ht

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Mark D. Baushke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adrian Constantin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Is it a proven thing that CVS can corrupt a > > > binary file if no merges are tried and no > > > CR/LF boundary rules are broken? > > > > No. > I

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > I think there are some binary diff algorithms... >> >> Indeed. Consider svn which uses xdelta internally. >> >> To be fair, CvsNt also has ways of dealing better >> with binary formats than the cvshome v

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> In other words, if I set -kb on a binary file and then do >> nothing to it but commit updates and sometimes request an >> old revision, keeping my sandbox in the OS in which it was >> checked out, could I ever get

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Gianni Mariani
Peter Connolly wrote: Too dificult to set up, I think Shouldn't cvs have a list of binary file types preinstalled in the cvswrappers ? I agree, it should. I second that ! I did 3 years ago. http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg09098.html BTW - the cvswrappers file in the postin

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Is it a proven thing that CVS can corrupt a binary file if no merges >are tried and no CR/LF boundary rules are broken? In other words, if >I set -kb on a binary file and then do nothing to it but commit >updates and sometimes request an old revision, k

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Adrian Constantin
> Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Is it a proven thing that CVS can corrupt a binary > file if > > no merges are tried and no CR/LF boundary rules > are > > broken? > > No. I got it. It will corrupt my files in the default configuration after instalation, until I tell it that

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Mark D. Baushke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is it a proven thing that CVS can corrupt a binary file if > no merges are tried and no CR/LF boundary rules are > broken? No. > In other words, if I set -kb on a binary file and then do > nothing to it but com

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Adrian Constantin
--- Paul Sander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Adrian Constantin writes: > >> > >> Or maybe projects for Unix/Linux platforms do not > >> usualy have binary files, but I don't really > think so... > > >CVS is a *source* control system; source files are > rarely binary. > > I disagree with thi

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Doug Lee
Is it a proven thing that CVS can corrupt a binary file if no merges are tried and no CR/LF boundary rules are broken? In other words, if I set -kb on a binary file and then do nothing to it but commit updates and sometimes request an old revision, keeping my sandbox in the OS in which it was chec

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Paul Sander
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Adrian Constantin writes: >> >> Or maybe projects for Unix/Linux platforms do not >> usualy have binary files, but I don't really think so... >CVS is a *source* control system; source files are rarely binary. I disagree with this statement. Source fi

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Larry Jones
Adrian Constantin writes: > > Or maybe projects for Unix/Linux platforms do not > usualy have binary files, but I don't really think so... CVS is a *source* control system; source files are rarely binary. It does support them as an afterthought, but that's not what it was designed to do. -Larry

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Peter Connolly
> You may wish to choose a tool that is better for > your particular needs. cvs is not at that friendly > at controlling and merging binary files. Actually, if there are a lot of binary files in your repository, you might want to consider switching to Subversion (http://subversion.tigris.org/) sin

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Peter Connolly
> Too dificult to set up, I think > Shouldn't cvs have a list of binary file types > preinstalled in the cvswrappers ? I agree, it should. ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Peter Connolly
> You may wish to choose a tool that is better for > your particular needs. cvs is not at that friendly > at controlling and merging binary files. Actually, if there are a lot of binary files in your repository, you might want to consider switching to Subversion (http://subversion.tigris.org/) sin

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Peter Connolly
> Too dificult to set up, I think > Shouldn't cvs have a list of binary file types > preinstalled in the cvswrappers ? I agree, it should. ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Mark D. Baushke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adrian Constantin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > --- "Mark D. Baushke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Adrian Constantin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > writes: > > > After hours of tests I got it to work. > > > For the begining... > > > > > > Too dificult

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Adrian Constantin
--- "Mark D. Baushke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Adrian Constantin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > > After hours of tests I got it to work. > > For the begining... > > > > Too dificult to set up, I think > > You may wish to choose a tool that is better for > your particular needs. cvs is not

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Mark D. Baushke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adrian Constantin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > --- Peter Connolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And to make the -kb automatic with binary file > > types, modify your > > cvswrappers file... > > > > > > > Must I tell explicitly to cvs that I > > >

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Adrian Constantin
--- Peter Connolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And to make the -kb automatic with binary file > types, modify your > cvswrappers file... > > > > > > > Must I tell explicitly to cvs that I transfer > > > text/binary files between different systems ? > > > > Yes, for binary files. See the -kb s

RE: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-05 Thread Peter Connolly
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:45 PM > To: Adrian Constantin > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: CVS corrupts binary files ... > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Adrian Constantin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I've created a simp

Re: CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-04 Thread Mark D. Baushke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adrian Constantin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've created a simple repository on a Linux server > with one module wich is a web site. My working > directory is on a Windows machine and I have to use > ssh to connect to the server. I've tried severa

CVS corrupts binary files ...

2004-06-04 Thread Adrian Constantin
Hi all, I've created a simple repository on a Linux server with one module wich is a web site. My working directory is on a Windows machine and I have to use ssh to connect to the server. I've tried several ssh clients and with all of them the checkout command creates corrupted image files in my