[ On Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 16:06:41 (-0600), Thornley, David wrote: ]
> Subject: RE: Converting ClearCase to CVS
>
>
> No, I'm not saying ClearCase is a bad product (I don't know enough
> to know if it's a good one). I'm saying that Paul consistentl
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Siegerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 05:04:54PM -0500, Greg A. Woods wrote:
> > You either chose the wrong tool for your requirements, or
> you chose to
> > use it in a way that it was not designed to be used.
>
> Geez, th
--- Paul Sander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We were using CVS in the way that it was designed,
> but the robustness
> of the implementation gave us more grief than I care
> to remember. My
> argument has become somewhat weaker now because CVS'
> quality of
> implementation has improved substanti
--- Paul Sander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Even on my personal system where my toy projects
> make very few demands on
> CVS (no branching other than vendor branches, no
> concurrent development,
> no binary files, no reorganizations, no use of *info
> files, small source
> files, few source fil
--- Eric Siegerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Geez, that's just what Paul's been saying all along!
> It's
> everyone else that's been treating his defence of
> ClearCase as
> rank heresy.
I agree. I wonder how many of these heresy-sayers
have actually actively used ClearCase.
Noel
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--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [ On Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 18:04:06 (-0500),
> Eric Siegerman wrote: ]
> > Geez, that's just what Paul's been saying all
> along! It's
> > everyone else that's been treating his defence of
> ClearCase as
> > rank heresy.
>
> Yeah, so why d
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Without knowing details of either sitution I think
> you have vastly
> mis-interpreted the meaning of the word "simple".
> Something that seemed
> "simple" to you obviously turned out to be
> exceedingly complex for CVS.
> You either chose the wron
--- Paul Sander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The economically rational thing to do is to push the
> detection of bugs
> earlier into the process (where they're cheaper to
> fix), provide
> support that's good enough to yield repeat business,
> and have the support
> center feed back efficiently in
[ On Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 19:45:53 (-0800), Paul Sander wrote: ]
> Subject: RE: Converting ClearCase to CVS
>
> time == money
Nope. There are a whole lot of things I can "buy" with time that no
amount of money will ever buy. "freew
>--- Forwarded mail from Greg Woods:
>[ On Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 15:40:15 (-0800), Paul Sander wrote: ]
>> Subject: RE: Converting ClearCase to CVS
>> There's no doubt that many freeware projects, some of them large, benefit
>> greatly from the use of CV
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>[ On Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 18:04:06 (-0500), Eric Siegerman wrote: ]
>> Subject: Re: Converting ClearCase to CVS
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 05:04:54PM -0500, Greg A. Woods wrote:
>> > Without knowing detai
[ On Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 15:40:15 (-0800), Paul Sander wrote: ]
> Subject: RE: Converting ClearCase to CVS
>
> Well, the problems were largely due to user errors, corrupting their
> CVS meta-data. I also spent some time fixing corrupted RCS files, and so
> on.
While
[ On Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 18:04:06 (-0500), Eric Siegerman wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: Converting ClearCase to CVS
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 05:04:54PM -0500, Greg A. Woods wrote:
> > Without knowing details of either sitution I think you have vastly
> > mis-interpret
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>[ On Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 11:58:34 (-0800), Paul Sander wrote: ]
>> Subject: RE: Converting ClearCase to CVS
>>
>> Let's assume for the sake of argument that your salary is around $40/hour.
>> For $8000,
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 05:04:54PM -0500, Greg A. Woods wrote:
> Without knowing details of either sitution I think you have vastly
> mis-interpreted the meaning of the word "simple". Something that seemed
> "simple" to you obviously turned out to be exceedingly complex for CVS.
The latter does
[ On Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 11:58:34 (-0800), Paul Sander wrote: ]
> Subject: RE: Converting ClearCase to CVS
>
> Let's assume for the sake of argument that your salary is around $40/hour.
> For $8000, you can't even cover maintenance of ClearCase for that number
&
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>> Subject: RE: Converting ClearCase to CV
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> Subject: RE: Converting ClearCase to CVS
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>
> Starting to get off-topic and long-winded, bu
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Sander wrote:
>Really? The modules database was ill-conceived from the beginning (having
>at least two fundamental flaws in its design), and was never repaired or
>replaced. Corner cases involving branch merging and add/remove keep being
>raised in this forum
2:57 (-0800), Paul
>> Sander wrote: ]
>> >> Subject: Re: Converting ClearCase to CVS
>> >>
>> >> You get what you pay for. In my opinion, the quality of
>> implementation
>> >> of ClearCase is much more robust than CVS, and Rational
>>
[ On Monday, February 18, 2002 at 10:12:34 (-0600), Thornley, David wrote: ]
> Subject: RE: Converting ClearCase to CVS
Thanks very much for your reply to Paul's doublespeak! I couldn't have
said it better myself! ;-)
> Do you realize how much software you have eliminated
> -Original Message-
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>
> >[ On Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 12:42:57 (-0800), Paul
> Sander wrote: ]
> >> Subject: Re: Converting ClearCase to CVS
> >>
> >> You get wha
[ On Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 15:38:33 (-0800), Paul Sander wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: Converting ClearCase to CVS
>
> Given the status quo, I can either buy a commercial system that has
> industrial robustness and support, or I can build it myself.
I'm not talking about b
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[ On Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 12:42:57 (-0800), Paul Sander wrote: ]
>> Subject: Re: Converting ClearCase to CVS
>>
>> You get what you pay for. In my opinion, the quality of implementation
>> of ClearCase is
[ On Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 12:42:57 (-0800), Paul Sander wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: Converting ClearCase to CVS
>
> You get what you pay for. In my opinion, the quality of implementation
> of ClearCase is much more robust than CVS, and Rational supports it much
> better anyo
>--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>--- "Mark A. Flacy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Out of curiosity, why are you moving from ClearCase to CVS?
>Okay, you asked. Here it comes. But my question would be why not move from
>ClearCase to CVS? This comes from my personal experience at multi
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>Hi,
>
Oh yes. I've felt that the return that we get from CC around here is not
worth what we are paying for it. I'm not high enough in the food chain to
change things.
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Title: RE: Converting ClearCase to CVS
Hi,
Amazing how these are very much similar to what happened here. I do not want to repeat the whole story, but would simply add this.
When we realized that going from ClearCase to CVS was still an option, we were told of the lack of features in CVS
--- "Mark A. Flacy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Out of curiosity, why are you moving from ClearCase to CVS?
Okay, you asked. Here it comes. But my question would be why not move from
ClearCase to CVS? This comes from my personal experience at multiple clients,
some using CVS, some CC, some both.
Out of curiosity, why are you moving from ClearCase to CVS?
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Mark writes:
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> - cvs remove files listed in the update, since import doesn't handle file
> removals
Import *does* handle file removals. After importing a new release, do:
cvs co -j old_rel_tag -j new_rel_tag module
where old_rel_tag is the release tag from the previous import an
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