[Int-area] draft-george-ipv6-required-01.txt --- what about IPsec ?

2011-03-29 Thread Tim Shepard
The Security Considerations section in draft-george-ipv6-required-01 says: 5. Security Considerations There are no direct security considerations generated by this document, but existing documented security considerations for implementing IPv6 will apply. At a minimum, you

Re: [Int-area] draft-george-ipv6-required-01.txt --- what about IPsec ?

2011-03-29 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: I fear "IPsec required for IPv6" would slow deployment of IPv6. => IMHO it doesn't matter as the IETF has *no* way to enforce such a thing: you can require IPv6 boxes to be blue with red points, it will have the same effect (other to show it is ridiculous :-).

Re: [Int-area] draft-george-ipv6-required-01.txt --- what about IPsec ?

2011-03-29 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2011-03-30 02:42, Francis Dupont wrote: > In your previous mail you wrote: > >I fear "IPsec required for IPv6" would slow deployment of IPv6. We have never attempted to mandate *deployment* of IPsec. > > => IMHO it doesn't matter as the IETF has *no* way to enforce > such a thing: you c

Re: [Int-area] draft-george-ipv6-required-01.txt --- what about IPsec ?

2011-03-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 3/29/11 6:42 AM, Francis Dupont wrote: > In your previous mail you wrote: > >I fear "IPsec required for IPv6" would slow deployment of IPv6. Simply put it's been ignored so far whenever it's convenient which appears to be frequently. I don't see that changing and our document series (to F

Re: [Int-area] draft-george-ipv6-required-01.txt --- what about IPsec ?

2011-03-29 Thread Julien Laganier
Tim, The last rev of the IPv6 node requirements document states that IPsec is no longer required but only recommended for IPv6: >From http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-08 Previously, IPv6 mandated implementation of IPsec and recommended the key management approach of

Re: [Int-area] draft-george-ipv6-required-01.txt --- what about IPsec ?

2011-03-29 Thread George, Wes E [NTK]
hanks, Wes George -Original Message- From: int-area-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:int-area-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tim Shepard Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:59 AM To: int-area@ietf.org Subject: [Int-area] draft-george-ipv6-required-01.txt --- what about IPsec ? The Security Considera

Re: [Int-area] draft-george-ipv6-required-01.txt --- what about IPsec ?

2011-03-29 Thread Tim Shepard
George, OK, I have now read the relevant parts of draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-08 and it says what needs to be said, quite well actually. I do think an explicit pointer to that within the Security Considerations section of your draft would be good. Since the int-area meeting today I've had a