Am 11.07.2007 um 07:20 schrieb Evert|Rooftop:
Top 10 by what metric? If I had to guess based on market share,
I'd say (unordered):
Drupal
Squirrelmail
WordPress
phpMyAdmin
MediaWiki
Joomla
PHPBB
hey, and what about TYPO3? ;-)
Honestly, I've tried the current version of TYPO3 (4.x) with P
One final question..
should I assume while converting code "unicode.semantics" is on or off?
If its on I would be making sure everything is properly casted to binary
strings where this is needed, if it's off the focus would be on making
sure the application runs on both PHP5 and PHP6..
What
Larry Garfield wrote:
Top 10 by what metric? If I had to guess based on market share, I'd say
(unordered):
Drupal
Squirrelmail
WordPress
phpMyAdmin
MediaWiki
Joomla
PHPBB
That will keep me busy =)
Evert
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On Tuesday 10 July 2007, Evert | Rooftop wrote:
> Andi Gutmans wrote:
> > I think the sooner the better as it's valuable information for the dev
> > team.
> > It'd probably be a good idea to have a Wiki where we can document issues
> > that/common use-cases which are encountered.
> > Maybe we shoul
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:55:30 -0400, Evert | Rooftop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andi Gutmans wrote:
>> I think the sooner the better as it's valuable information for the dev
>> team.
>> It'd probably be a good idea to have a Wiki where we can document issues
>> that/common use-cases which are e
Andi Gutmans wrote:
I think the sooner the better as it's valuable information for the dev
team.
It'd probably be a good idea to have a Wiki where we can document issues
that/common use-cases which are encountered.
Maybe we should have a Wiki on one of the php.net servers for such
purposes?
Andi
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:26 -0500, Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 10 July 2007, chris# wrote:
>
>> > Better docs on how to run PHP 4 and PHP 5 at the same time would
> likely
>> > be helpful, and someone is working on that for GoPHP5.org, I think.
>> > However, your cla
On 7/10/07, Johannes Schlüter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
recently I had the problem that we disable the mail() function if
configure can't find the sendmail binary. Is there any real reason for
this?
I suspect there is no real reason, I have always wondered why is like that.
I can image
On Tuesday 10 July 2007, chris# wrote:
> > Better docs on how to run PHP 4 and PHP 5 at the same time would likely
> > be helpful, and someone is working on that for GoPHP5.org, I think.
> > However, your claim that "you have millions... of lines of code that have
> > to be nearly
> > completely
On Monday 09 July 2007, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
> > Do _I_ like that horrible IS_STRING/IS_UNICODE mess we have atm? No.
>
> I don't think there's any way of having both unstructured character data
> and Unicode text represented without having two distinct types. Either
> that or you'd have to te
The same as if you configure sendmail_oath wrong or move you binary to a
host where it is missing: mail() returns false.
I think it's a correct approach - the fact that sendmail wasn't
installed (or installed incorrectly maybe) on build machine shouldn't
prevent PHP from sending mail of produc
On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 00:49 +0300, Jani Taskinen wrote:
> So what happens when sendmail really does not exist?
The same as if you configure sendmail_oath wrong or move you binary to a
host where it is missing: mail() returns false.
johannes
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I think the sooner the better as it's valuable information for the dev
team.
It'd probably be a good idea to have a Wiki where we can document issues
that/common use-cases which are encountered.
Maybe we should have a Wiki on one of the php.net servers for such
purposes?
Andi
> -Original Mess
So what happens when sendmail really does not exist?
--Jani
Johannes Schlüter kirjoitti:
Hi,
recently I had the problem that we disable the mail() function if
configure can't find the sendmail binary. Is there any real reason for
this? I can image a few situations where the binary is in a non-
Hi,
recently I had the problem that we disable the mail() function if
configure can't find the sendmail binary. Is there any real reason for
this? I can image a few situations where the binary is in a non-standard
location or PHP is compiled on a different host than used.
I'd like to commit the a
/en-us/ntcmds_shelloverview.mspx?mfr=true , quoting: "You can use most
characters as variable values, including white space. If you use the
special characters <, >, |, &, or ^, you must precede them with the
escape character (^) or quotation marks." - So all special characters
will be replaced wit
because someone needs to decide in what order autoload strategies are
applied. this is especially important for libraries that do not prefix
Not if we have namespaces :) With namespaces, order doesn't matter.
Without namespaces, libraries not using unique prefixes are asking for
trouble anyway
Hi Boris,
On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 15:38 +0200, Boris wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm trying to create an object-oriented PHP 5 extension. As I don't know
> any step-by-step tutorial which would explain everything in detail I'm
> trying to understand various sources and documents I happen to run into
On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 19:38 -0700, Andi Gutmans wrote:
> Btw, I don't know how many of you have actually tried to port PHP 5 apps
> to PHP 6 but it's quite a disaster. We made some fixes in the past 2-3
> weeks and its getting better but it still requires a lot of work. If we
> don't make this easy
On 10.07.2007, at 18:55, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
the application should define how things get loaded, precisely
because it decides about what libraries are used, what approach
each of them has taken etc. also on the application level you may
want to implement some way to override impleme
the application should define how things get loaded, precisely because
it decides about what libraries are used, what approach each of them has
taken etc. also on the application level you may want to implement some
way to override implementations from the library etc.
Why application develope
Hi there,
I'm trying to create an object-oriented PHP 5 extension. As I don't know
any step-by-step tutorial which would explain everything in detail I'm
trying to understand various sources and documents I happen to run into.
I'd appreciate if anyone could comment on what I currently think
Andi Gutmans wrote:
What I really think we need to do for this release, which we haven't
been good at doing in the past, is build a PHP Compatibility Team which
tries to port many applications to PHP 6 and finds the issues in doing
this port (both with unicode_semantics=on/off). We can then learn
I was thinking a bit more about this yesterday. Even if I'd agree with
this discussion (which I don't at this point in time) I think it is
being had far too early. We currently have a very big problem with
ability to upgrade to PHP 6 and making decisions without people actually
getting their feet w
I wouldn't say "consider" in releasing security fixes. I would say that
we won't make any more releases except in cases of security bugs.
Andi
> -Original Message-
> From: Derick Rethans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:34 AM
> To: Pierre
> Cc: PHP Developers
Hi,
now that there seems to be a maintainer of the LDAP extension (I've
cc'ed this message to him), I thought I could try to push this patch
again :-)
Instead of trying to push my own (limited) patch which only supports
pagedResults control extension, I've taken Pierangelo Masarati's
patches (PA
My 2 cents...
As of XX-XX-2007, it will have been 3 years since the release of PHP 5. In
these 3 years many improvements have been implemented over PHP 4 and PHP 5
can now be considered fast, stable & production ready. With PHP 6 in
active development PHP 4 development will now be discontinued.
On 10.07.2007, at 09:17, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
The application should define this, not the library or module...
Why not? If library needs to load files, why can't it define how to
load them?
-
the application should define how things get loaded, precisely
because it decides about w
header() is a regular function, you can call it from anywhere (e.q. as
top-level statement), butof course you cannot use it before namespace
declaration.
Dmitry.
> -Original Message-
> From: chris# [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:35 AM
> To: internals@lists.
Derick Rethans schrieb:
> You can do that with fastcgi and lighttpd, not with apache.
(With how much effort) could it be made possible with Apache? Deciding
on unicode and non-unicode PHP at compile time and -optionally- running
two engines in parallel could IMHO ease some performance issues and
Derick Rethans schrieb:
> That's what we're doing... however, I don't mind the "force SPL to be
> compiled into PHP" bit. I think we should do that.
Since the manual says "This extension is available and compiled by
default in PHP 5.", so a lot of developers (me included) rely on SPL
funtionality
On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 01:09:35AM -0700, chris# wrote:
> No offense, I can't resist...
Neither can I:
>
>Today has been exactly three years since PHP 5 was released. In
>those three years it has seen many improvements over PHP 4. PHP 5 is
>fast, stable & production-ready and as PH
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Alexey Zakhlestin wrote:
> On 7/10/07, Derick Rethans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > You can do that with fastcgi and lighttpd, not with apache.
>
> not true. you can do that with ANY server which uses fastcgi (apache
> can do that too!)
>
> Actualy, I believe fastcgi-mo
On 7/10/07, Derick Rethans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You can do that with fastcgi and lighttpd, not with apache.
not true.
you can do that with ANY server which uses fastcgi (apache can do that too!)
actualy, I believe fastcgi-mode should get some "advertising" from
php.net as it really have
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:34:12 +0200 (CEST), Derick Rethans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Pierre wrote:
>
>> On 7/9/07, Derick Rethans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Andi Gutmans wrote:
>> >
>> > > I'd suggest something close to what Rasmus suggested:
>> >
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:39:10 +0200 (CEST), Derick Rethans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, chris# wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:38:03 -0700, Andrei Zmievski
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Yes, backporting major features from PHP 6 to 5 will slow down PHP 6
>> > adoption,
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:56:16 -0500, Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 09 July 2007, chris# wrote:
>
>> I will venture to say that the biggest issue was; no transition period.
>> That is to say that PHP4 and PHP5 are two completely different
> creatures.
>> There was no "morp
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Pierre wrote:
> On 7/9/07, Derick Rethans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Andi Gutmans wrote:
> >
> > > I'd suggest something close to what Rasmus suggested:
> > > a) We make a clear statement on PHP.net that at the end of the year we
> > > plan to discontin
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:02:15 +0200, Lukas Kahwe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 10.07.2007, at 01:19, chris# wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:38:03 -0700, Andrei Zmievski
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Yes, backporting major features from PHP 6 to 5 will slow down PHP 6
>>
The application should define this, not the library or module...
Why not? If library needs to load files, why can't it define how to load
them?
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
> > > Well if we are speaking of best practices, the sensible thing for
> > > libs to do is to provide a function/method users can call inside
> > > their own __autoload() implementation. This way users are free to
> > > make their __autoload() wor
Well if we are speaking of best practices, the sensible thing for libs
to do is to provide a function/method users can call inside their own
__autoload() implementation. This way users are free to make their
__autoload() work as they please/require.
That's OK too, but this requires the user to
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:52:27 -0500, Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 09 July 2007, chris# wrote:
>> OK. I can't help but notice the overall underwhelming reception to PHP5
>> (mostly by ISP's). Which begs the question /why/? Shouldn't /that/ be
> the
>> question? Or maybe I
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