Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:20 PM, John LeSueur wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Anthony Ferrara > >wrote: >> >> > Kris, >> > >> > > As discussed on other threads, PHPP files that are called directly >> from >> > the >> > > webse

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Anthony Ferrara >wrote: > > > Kris, > > > > > As discussed on other threads, PHPP files that are called directly from > > the > > > webserver are handled by the SAPI handler and thus don't need any > special

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Anthony Ferrara wrote: > Kris, > > > As discussed on other threads, PHPP files that are called directly from > the > > webserver are handled by the SAPI handler and thus don't need any special > > identification. > > Except that they do. Right now, SAPI handlers

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

Kris, > As discussed on other threads, PHPP files that are called directly from the > webserver are handled by the SAPI handler and thus don't need any special > identification. Except that they do. Right now, SAPI handlers just invoke PHP. So there would need to be some way of communicating th

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Anthony Ferrara wrote: > Kris, > > > You do realize you just proved my point, right? I said that, because > only a > > small few people were actually participating in this thread, it would be > > completely disingenuous for one side or the other to claim to repres

[PHP-DEV] Pear mailing list

Can someone help out with the pear-cvs mailing list, either Daniel or Gwynne has made some serious change in the setup of packages on github. This is causing the list to get spammed by ~ 1000 per day at present by commit messages from migrated changes. It's probably just best to block github

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

Kris, > You do realize you just proved my point, right?  I said that, because only a > small few people were actually participating in this thread, it would be > completely disingenuous for one side or the other to claim to represent the > majority opinion.  The fact that you stepped in does not c

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Sherif Ramadan wrote: > > Please review these things, *then *post a response. Thank you. > > > > --Kris > > > > > > Alright, perhaps we should address one thing at a time. Since you feel > you are repeating yourself I will alleviate repetition with manageable > qu

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

> Please review these things, *then *post a response.  Thank you. > > --Kris > > Alright, perhaps we should address one thing at a time. Since you feel you are repeating yourself I will alleviate repetition with manageable questions that are fair and concise. I start reading your RFC and the very

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Anthony Ferrara wrote: > Kris, > > > It's worth noting that there are already two other similar RFCs that have > > been proposed and other people have expressed interest in this idea. > Most > > of the opposition on this thread has come from 2 people, one of whom

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > Kris Craig wrote: > >> Please review these things, *then *post a response. Thank you. >> > If you want this SO badly, just fork a copy of PHP and implement it how > you want it. That is at least the good thing to come out of moving the code

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

Kris, > It's worth noting that there are already two other similar RFCs that have > been proposed and other people have expressed interest in this idea.  Most > of the opposition on this thread has come from 2 people, one of whom has > been mostly posting hyperbolic claims and scare tactics.  Ther

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

Kris Craig wrote: Please review these things, *then *post a response. Thank you. If you want this SO badly, just fork a copy of PHP and implement it how you want it. That is at least the good thing to come out of moving the code management yet again ... if others want it as well they can clone

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Sherif Ramadan wrote: > Let me say that I've been following this thread for some time now and what > I'm > seeing is a lot of poorly communicated ideas with very little thought > and a lot of > snappy retort. > > > We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Just b

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

Let me say that I've been following this thread for some time now and what I'm seeing is a lot of poorly communicated ideas with very little thought and a lot of snappy retort. > We can walk and chew gum at the same time.  Just because more immediate > concerns exist doesn't mean that looking at l

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] New .phpp File Type for Pure-Code PHP Scripts

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, John Crenshaw wrote: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:39 PM > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:12 PM, John Crenshaw < > johncrens...@priacta.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On top of this, there's an argument that you're not addressing: > most > > > > > template engin

Re: [PHP-DEV] New Feature: Fully qualified class name resolution as scalar with class keyword

Am 14.04.2012 23:14, schrieb Marco Pivetta: I used to implement `public static function getClass() { return get_called_class(); }`, so I really like this one, makes it also easier for IDEs when refactoring code :) I was wondering about `class A { const CLASS = 'hello'; }` but that would cause an

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Rasmus Schultz wrote: > > From: Arvids Godjuks > > To: Kris Craig > > Cc: PHP internals list , Yasuo Ohgaki < > yohg...@ohgaki.net> > > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 03:26:16 +0300 > > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] New .phpp File Type for Pure-Code PHP > Scripts > > Wel

Re: [PHP-DEV] New Feature: Fully qualified class name resolution as scalar with class keyword

I used to implement `public static function getClass() { return get_called_class(); }`, so I really like this one, makes it also easier for IDEs when refactoring code :) I was wondering about `class A { const CLASS = 'hello'; }` but that would cause an unexpected `T_CLASS`, so I guess there's no c

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

Hi, 2012/4/15 Rasmus Schultz : > the closing tag isn't even > required to begin with, so you can really think of " file-header. If it is supposed to exist always at the beginning of files. Anyway, file extension should not matter and it should be a configuration as it is now. i.e. .phps for php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Ability to assign new object to a class property.

Hi! > It's convenient to assign an empty array to a property in this manner. > > private $storage = array(); > > So why not > private $storage = new ArrayObject(); array is a static constant. Objects have complex behavior. So it's better to handle this in ctor. I see no value in splitting ctor

[PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 13 Apr 2012 01:23:19 -0000 Issue 2650

> From: Arvids Godjuks > To: Kris Craig > Cc: PHP internals list , Yasuo Ohgaki > > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 03:26:16 +0300 > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] New .phpp File Type for Pure-Code PHP Scripts > Well, I just don't know how i can appeal to common sence to some people on > the list anymore.

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Allow "use( $longname as $alias)" syntax for closures declaration

Hi! > Help me understand, b/c I am not clear what you mean by "we allow > expressions in function calls". This is my immediate understanding of > the anatomy of a closure: Function call: f($a, $b+$c); Closure: $x = function ($arg) use($a, $b+$c as $bplusc) { /*...*/ } For the same reason w

[PHP-DEV] New Feature: Fully qualified class name resolution as scalar with class keyword

Hi all, There are many different use cases were in code we expect classes names as arguments to functions as fully qualified names. We do this in ZF a lot with our Service Location and DI components, but also with our code reflection API, etc. A more interesting use case I would like to call

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] New .phpp File Type for Pure-Code PHP Scripts

John Crenshaw wrote: I think that covered just about everything quite tidily John. Certainly a lot more succinct than I would have managed! Well put ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://

Re: [PHP-DEV] Wiki account access

hi, On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Ralph Schindler wrote: > I have an account on wiki.php.net (I don't remember signing up on docuwiki, > only the svn account page, but its there already and linked to my email > address on this list.)  I can't seem to reset my password. When I get the > email f

RE: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] New .phpp File Type for Pure-Code PHP Scripts

Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:39 PM > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:12 PM, John Crenshaw > wrote: > > > > > > > > On top of this, there's an argument that you're not addressing: most > > > > template engines in PHP either directly consume PHP template files... > > > > or "compile" templates into...

[PHP-DEV] Wiki account access

I have an account on wiki.php.net (I don't remember signing up on docuwiki, only the svn account page, but its there already and linked to my email address on this list.) I can't seem to reset my password. When I get the email for the password reset, the wiki.php.net page tells me: * Unable

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Allow "use( $longname as $alias)" syntax for closures declaration

For variables, it's not very useful. For expressions, might allow to avoid some boilerplate code - for the same reason we allow expressions in function calls - we might ban that, and have people assign expressions to variables and then use variables for function calls, but we recognize it is no

RE: [PHP-DEV] Ability to assign new object to a class property.

Why not? It's convenient to assign an empty array to a property in this manner. private $storage = array(); So why not private $storage = new ArrayObject(); Doing stuff like this in class definition vs in constructor just makes code look cleaner. Dmitri Snytkine Web Developer Ultra Logistics,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: solving most git issues and questions

Ah.. Missed that, I only saw the workflow page which I just noticed fleetingly mentions that there are alternative work flows in the faq. regards Alan -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Ferenc Kovacs wrote: imo it is already covered by https://wiki.p

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: solving most git issues and questions

imo it is already covered by https://wiki.php.net/vcs/gitfaq#multiple_working_copies_workflow On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Alan Knowles wrote: > Saw this mentioned on one of the blogs comments today. > > http://nuclearsquid.com/**writings/git-new-workdir/