[PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-05-29 Thread Fleshgrinder
Hey guys! People are complaining over at Reddit [1] about using PHP, Std, UUID, ... in other words about case. I know that this is probably a topic nobody cares much about, at least we did not end up in this kind of bikeshedding in the UUID discussion thread, but it is after all an important ques

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-05-29 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! > People are complaining over at Reddit [1] Isn't it what Reddit is for? ;) > I know that this is probably a topic nobody cares much about, at least > we did not end up in this kind of bikeshedding in the UUID discussion > thread, but it is after all an important question when designing a la

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-05-30 Thread Fleshgrinder
Hey Stas! On 5/30/2017 1:00 AM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> People are complaining over at Reddit [1] > > Isn't it what Reddit is for? ;) > I guess it is. ;) >> I know that this is probably a topic nobody cares much about, at least >> we did not end up in this kind of bikeshedding in

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-05-31 Thread Tony Marston
wrote in message news:86dba466-a764-522b-6990-39fd7668a...@fleshgrinder.com... Hey Stas! On 5/30/2017 1:00 AM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Hi! People are complaining over at Reddit [1] Isn't it what Reddit is for? ;) I guess it is. ;) I know that this is probably a topic nobody cares mu

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-05-31 Thread Rowan Collins
On 31 May 2017 10:26:06 BST, Tony Marston wrote: >wrote in message >news:86dba466-a764-522b-6990-39fd7668a...@fleshgrinder.com... >I should point out that snake_case was the universal standard decades >before >some people switched to CamelCase. [citation needed] Lisp, for instance, uses hyphen

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-01 Thread Tony Marston
"Rowan Collins" wrote in message news:cef783bb-8e1f-4a20-9cc6-1364a122b...@gmail.com... On 31 May 2017 10:26:06 BST, Tony Marston wrote: wrote in message news:86dba466-a764-522b-6990-39fd7668a...@fleshgrinder.com... I should point out that snake_case was the universal standard decades before

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-01 Thread Rowan Collins
On 1 June 2017 10:16:16 BST, Tony Marston wrote: >"Rowan Collins" wrote in message >news:cef783bb-8e1f-4a20-9cc6-1364a122b...@gmail.com... >> >>On 31 May 2017 10:26:06 BST, Tony Marston >wrote: >>>wrote in message >>>news:86dba466-a764-522b-6990-39fd7668a...@fleshgrinder.com... >>>I should poin

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-02 Thread Tony Marston
"Rowan Collins" wrote in message news:41f2b884-5db7-4691-b540-97b0daeaa...@gmail.com... On 1 June 2017 10:16:16 BST, Tony Marston wrote: "Rowan Collins" wrote in message news:cef783bb-8e1f-4a20-9cc6-1364a122b...@gmail.com... On 31 May 2017 10:26:06 BST, Tony Marston wrote: wrote in mess

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-02 Thread Dan Ackroyd
On 2 June 2017 at 08:56, Tony Marston wrote: > I object to some young nerd arriving on the scene Please don't make derogatory comments. Also, this tangent on naming conventions in general is off-topic to this thread. Please stay on topic. cheers Dan -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-02 Thread Dan Ackroyd
On 29 May 2017 at 23:13, Fleshgrinder wrote: > Hey guys! > > People are complaining over at Reddit [1] While the "STD" is slightly humorous, it is unneeded verbosity, and will lead to pointless arguments in the future of whether other features in the future should catch the STD name, or whether t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-02 Thread Rowan Collins
On 2 June 2017 08:56:57 BST, Tony Marston wrote: > Different groups of people follow different naming conventions simply > because there is no universally accepted standard. The phrase here is "groups of people"; the PHP Internals team is such a group, and it is perfectly reasonable for that gr

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-02 Thread Fleshgrinder
On 6/2/2017 11:47 AM, Dan Ackroyd wrote: > On 29 May 2017 at 23:13, Fleshgrinder wrote: >> Hey guys! >> >> People are complaining over at Reddit [1] > > While the "STD" is slightly humorous, it is unneeded verbosity, and > will lead to pointless arguments in the future of whether other > features

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-03 Thread Tony Marston
"Dan Ackroyd" wrote in message news:ca+kxmutdqv4pg7yqq10p2vfdu4cyv0cwe1d7xwbvcio44pt...@mail.gmail.com... On 2 June 2017 at 08:56, Tony Marston wrote: I object to some young nerd arriving on the scene Please don't make derogatory comments. A mildly derogatory comment which indicates the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-03 Thread Tony Marston
"Dan Ackroyd" wrote in message news:ca+kxmuromvy6vb0ykd6ejqu8askxro2x6f9y5i9+cxfjsj-...@mail.gmail.com... On 29 May 2017 at 23:13, Fleshgrinder wrote: Hey guys! People are complaining over at Reddit [1] While the "STD" is slightly humorous, it is unneeded verbosity, and will lead to pointl

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-03 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 03.06.2017 um 10:10 schrieb Tony Marston: "Dan Ackroyd" wrote in message news:ca+kxmuromvy6vb0ykd6ejqu8askxro2x6f9y5i9+cxfjsj-...@mail.gmail.com... On 29 May 2017 at 23:13, Fleshgrinder wrote: Hey guys! People are complaining over at Reddit [1] While the "STD" is slightly humorous, i

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-03 Thread Steven Hilder
Tony, On 30 May 2017 11:21:38 +0300, Tony Marston wrote: they should not be forced to change just because some nerd has made a unilateral decision which is way above his pay grade On 30 May 2017 16:18:21 +0300, Tony Marston wrote: just because someone that there should now be a standard

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-04 Thread Tony Marston
""Steven Hilder"" wrote in message news:op.y09fz0b4twp9n2@charlie... Tony, On 30 May 2017 11:21:38 +0300, Tony Marston wrote: they should not be forced to change just because some nerd has made a unilateral decision which is way above his pay grade On 30 May 2017 16:18:21 +0300, Tony Mars

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-04 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 04.06.2017 um 11:10 schrieb Tony Marston: If there was never a standard to begin with then there should be proper justification for introducing one now, and I'm afraid that "to be consistent" is not a valid argument. What problems are caused by this inconsistency? What is the cost, both in

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-05 Thread Tony Marston
wrote in message news:3cfc0130-e530-64ed-36e8-372b04481...@rhsoft.net... Am 04.06.2017 um 11:10 schrieb Tony Marston: If there was never a standard to begin with then there should be proper justification for introducing one now, and I'm afraid that "to be consistent" is not a valid argument.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-05 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 05.06.2017 um 10:14 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message news:3cfc0130-e530-64ed-36e8-372b04481...@rhsoft.net... Am 04.06.2017 um 11:10 schrieb Tony Marston: If there was never a standard to begin with then there should be proper justification for introducing one now, and I'm afraid t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-05 Thread Rowan Collins
On 5 June 2017 09:14:47 BST, Tony Marston wrote: >Seriously, can you explain in words of one syllable the precise >benefits of >such a consistency? I will try: - When we write code, we need to know how to spell the names of things. If the things all have names that look the same, it is less

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-06 Thread Tony Marston
wrote in message news:a6f250ec-c72a-0522-cbf0-2c7b29ed9...@rhsoft.net... Am 05.06.2017 um 10:14 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message news:3cfc0130-e530-64ed-36e8-372b04481...@rhsoft.net... Am 04.06.2017 um 11:10 schrieb Tony Marston: If there was never a standard to begin with then ther

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-06 Thread Tony Marston
"Rowan Collins" wrote in message news:3351770b-c53e-4062-a91a-d3aa7439f...@gmail.com... On 5 June 2017 09:14:47 BST, Tony Marston wrote: Seriously, can you explain in words of one syllable the precise benefits of such a consistency? I will try: - When we write code, we need to know how to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Naming in Core

2017-06-06 Thread Rowan Collins
On 6 June 2017 09:17:31 BST, Tony Marston wrote: >"Rowan Collins" wrote in message >news:3351770b-c53e-4062-a91a-d3aa7439f...@gmail.com... >> >>On 5 June 2017 09:14:47 BST, Tony Marston >wrote: >>>Seriously, can you explain in words of one syllable the precise >>>benefits of >>>such a consisten