[PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they come across it. Can we please change the token name to T_DOUBLE_COLON so I don't have to hear about it constantly? Those that disagree don't do enough PHP support to know how often it is as

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 20:47, admin wrote: > > Those that disagree don't do enough PHP support to know how often it is > asked. it's worth it. Someone disagreeing with your request to change something does not correlate to their doing "enough PHP support." There are many reasons to disagree

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/29/2010 7:47 PM, admin wrote: > WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? > > This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they come > across it. > Can we please change the token name to T_DOUBLE_COLON so I don't have to hear > about it > constantly? > > Those that disagree don

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/29/2010 08:11 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 10/29/2010 7:47 PM, admin wrote: WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they come across it. Can we please change the token name to T_DOUBLE_COLON so I don't have to hear about

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Oct 29, 2010, at 6:17 PM, admin wrote: > On 10/29/2010 08:11 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: >> On 10/29/2010 7:47 PM, admin wrote: >> >>> WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? >>> >>> This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they come >>> across it. >>> Can we please cha

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/29/2010 8:17 PM, admin wrote: >> > obviously the old arguments didn't work, time to start anew. obviously you didn't stop to learn the art of persuasion. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/29/2010 08:31 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 10/29/2010 8:17 PM, admin wrote: obviously the old arguments didn't work, time to start anew. obviously you didn't stop to learn the art of persuasion. That's just rude, dude. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Develop

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/29/2010 08:24 PM, Scott MacVicar wrote: On Oct 29, 2010, at 6:17 PM, admin wrote: On 10/29/2010 08:11 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 10/29/2010 7:47 PM, admin wrote: WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when t

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

I'll bite. Why should this be changed? Is it broken? Is it something that 1 second on google can't answer? If somebody is advanced enough to be using classes (I think about the only time you would use a double colon) then they should know what it means. -- James Butler Sent from my iPhone On

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 21:24, Scott MacVicar wrote: > > using a name like "admin" in your email headers isn't going to be very > receptive. I was thinking the exact same thing. Glad not to be the only one. ;-P -- Network Infrastructure Manager Documentation, Webmaster Teams http://www.

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/29/2010 09:29 PM, James Butler wrote: I'll bite. Why should this be changed? Is it broken? Is it something that 1 second on google can't answer? If somebody is advanced enough to be using classes (I think about the only time you would use a double colon) then they should know what it mea

RE: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

aracter, a story (and history) to PHP. Don't think we should take this out after a good 12 years. I would prefer this was not changed. Andi > -Original Message- > From: admin [mailto:ad...@codeangel.org] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:47 PM > To: internals php list

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

As you mention, PHP errors are token names. Users have to read the manual to understand them at first sight. Then, what's the matter in having a bit of fun and nostalgia naming the tokens ? Switching to meanful error messages would make your point though. Pierre. Le samedi 30 octobre 2010 à 01:1

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 01:23 AM, Andi Gutmans wrote: The first google entry when you search for it gives you the answer. It is actually unbelievably easy to find the answer via search. If a new PHP developer can't find it then maybe they shouldn't be writing code. This is a piece of history from the PH

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/29/10 11:17 PM, Chad Emrys wrote: > The fact they have to google to figure out what it means, the error > message fails at it's purpose. (Realistically it'll take longer than a > second unless you got google hot keyed to your log reader). I Liked > Stefan's idea in the previous thread to not

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 01:30 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: On 10/29/10 11:17 PM, Chad Emrys wrote: The fact they have to google to figure out what it means, the error message fails at it's purpose. (Realistically it'll take longer than a second unless you got google hot keyed to your log reader). I Like

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 11:53 AM, Andi Gutmans wrote: > I would prefer this was not changed. +1 (for the same reasons) -- Sebastian BergmannCo-Founder and Principal Consultant http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ http://thePHP.cc/ -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime De

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

Hi! I can see only positives by switching it out. can someone give me a light on how much it would actually cost to do that? Some negatives? I It would probably require bribing all the opponents, so the cost would be in high six digits (in $US) I guess. what I am trying to point out as a

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 01:36 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote: Hi! I can see only positives by switching it out. can someone give me a light on how much it would actually cost to do that? Some negatives? I It would probably require bribing all the opponents, so the cost would be in high six digits (in $US)

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 30 okt 2010, at 08:34, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: On 10/30/2010 11:53 AM, Andi Gutmans wrote: I would prefer this was not changed. +1 (for the same reasons) I agree with Andi, Rasmus and the other people in favor. This token name is part of the history of PHP and adds to it's uniquen

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

Den 2010 10 30 03:51 skrev "Chad Emrys" : * snip * > What is in a name anyway? There's something VERY ironic about a statement like that given what you're asking for ... Regards Peter

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 30 October 2010 09:09, Mike Van Riel wrote: * snip * > (additionally I wonder why people ask such a simple question on IRC whilst > googling provides your answer faster..) Most of the people coming to ##php on freenode asking questions like that have a hard time learning (on their own or at

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 02:09 AM, Mike Van Riel wrote: On 30 okt 2010, at 08:34, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: On 10/30/2010 11:53 AM, Andi Gutmans wrote: I would prefer this was not changed. +1 (for the same reasons) I agree with Andi, Rasmus and the other people in favor. This token name is part of

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 02:11 AM, Peter Lind wrote: Den 2010 10 30 03:51 skrev "Chad Emrys" >: * snip * > What is in a name anyway? There's something VERY ironic about a statement like that given what you're asking for ... Regards Peter It was intentional ;p, glad you cau

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 02:16 AM, Peter Lind wrote: On 30 October 2010 09:09, Mike Van Riel wrote: * snip * (additionally I wonder why people ask such a simple question on IRC whilst googling provides your answer faster..) Most of the people coming to ##php on freenode asking questions like

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 30 October 2010 09:34, Chad Emrys wrote: > On 10/30/2010 02:16 AM, Peter Lind wrote: >> >> On 30 October 2010 09:09, Mike Van Riel  wrote: >> >> * snip * >> >> >>> >>> (additionally I wonder why people ask such a simple question on IRC >>> whilst >>> googling provides your answer faster..) >>>

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 30 October 2010 02:51, Chad Emrys wrote: > What is in a name anyway? Would a T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM by any other name make a difference? -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To u

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 10:01 AM, Richard Quadling wrote: > On 30 October 2010 02:51, Chad Emrys wrote: >> What is in a name anyway? > Would a T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM by any other name make a difference? > > To provide a counterargument, it certainly would. I don't consider myself an inexperienced PHP devel

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 30 okt 2010, at 09:34, Chad Emrys wrote: On 10/30/2010 02:16 AM, Peter Lind wrote: On 30 October 2010 09:09, Mike Van Riel wrote: * snip * (additionally I wonder why people ask such a simple question on IRC whilst googling provides your answer faster..) Most of the people coming

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 30.10.2010 08:34, Chad Emrys wrote: > Well Rasmus, I wish you would hang out more in ##php on freenode. (I > see you there every so often) But we do get that question about that > thing a lot. And even some rage, and I have to cool them off with all > the reasons you and Andi are giving me r

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 06:50, Daniel Jänecke wrote: > > Well, isn't the problem here more people asking on IRC rather than using > a search engine before? Renaming will not solve that. In this case, one might argue that it would. Instead of "what's a T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM?" you would have,

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

As a further reason, (not that I think that's it needed) When doing anything vaguely specialist, e.g engineering, medicine, sport, you require a precise set of terminology so two or more people can communicate clearly. The result of this is that if you want to play in a domain, you must be pre

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:30:04PM -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > with unfamiliar terms every day. I wouldn't mind having a few more > non-English identifiers in PHP actually. I don't know if i can make suggestions as an outsider. However, i really like the dutch language and it would be really c

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 05:50 AM, Daniel Jänecke wrote: On 30.10.2010 08:34, Chad Emrys wrote: Well Rasmus, I wish you would hang out more in ##php on freenode. (I see you there every so often) But we do get that question about that thing a lot. And even some rage, and I have to cool them off with

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 09:55 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 06:50, Daniel Jänecke wrote: Well, isn't the problem here more people asking on IRC rather than using a search engine before? Renaming will not solve that. In this case, one might argue that it would. Instead o

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 09:55 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 06:50, Daniel Jänecke wrote: Well, isn't the problem here more people asking on IRC rather than using a search engine before? Renaming will not solve that. In this case, one might argue that it would. Instead o

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 03:46 AM, Mike Van Riel wrote: On 30 okt 2010, at 09:34, Chad Emrys wrote: On 10/30/2010 02:16 AM, Peter Lind wrote: On 30 October 2010 09:09, Mike Van Riel wrote: * snip * (additionally I wonder why people ask such a simple question on IRC whilst googling provides your a

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:35, Chad Emrys wrote: > > Most likely not, we don't get tons of questions about other parser errors, > unless the person refuses to read the error message to begin with (Those > can't be fixed, true.  But this for those people that DO read the messages, > which is greate

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

If it ain't broken don't fix it. Change for the sake of it is a bad thing. It does things like introduce bugs etc. Q1) is it broken? Q2) if yes exactly what is broken Q3) does the proposes fix solve the root cause? I'm not sure changing the token name is the correct fix to people not knowing w

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 11:41 AM, Daniel P. Brown wrote: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:35, Chad Emrys wrote: Most likely not, we don't get tons of questions about other parser errors, unless the person refuses to read the error message to begin with (Those can't be fixed, true. But this for those peopl

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 11:43 AM, James Butler wrote: If it ain't broken don't fix it. Change for the sake of it is a bad thing. It does things like introduce bugs etc. Q1) is it broken? Q2) if yes exactly what is broken Q3) does the proposes fix solve the root cause? I'm not sure changing the token na

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:47, Chad Emrys wrote: > > It's not that I'm that sure of myself, it's that I believe that my opinion > has merit, and I keep seeing the exact same argument over and over again > that I believe is not a very good argument (They can just google it thing). >  Some other peo

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 11:58 AM, Daniel P. Brown wrote: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:47, Chad Emrys wrote: It's not that I'm that sure of myself, it's that I believe that my opinion has merit, and I keep seeing the exact same argument over and over again that I believe is not a very good argument (The

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 30 October 2010 19:18, Chad Emrys wrote: > On 10/30/2010 11:58 AM, Daniel P. Brown wrote: >> >> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:47, Chad Emrys  wrote: >> >>> >>> It's not that I'm that sure of myself, it's that I believe that my >>> opinion >>> has merit, and I keep seeing the exact same argument ov

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Chad Emrys wrote: >  I just know the bigger culture of those who use PHP, and some of them are > quite annoyed by the dismissive nature of the maintainers who are quite at > odds to what the majority of the community want or needs. As one of those people who "use

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:44:41 -0500 Jack Timmons wrote: > Also, as one who also answers other's questions (although not IRC, > because its my experience most people asking/*answering* questions on > there are dbags), FTFY. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, v

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

Are you supporting users who you provide a shared hosting embodiment too, and do you control binary installations on the enviroments? If so then possibly patching source for you installs maybe the easiest and quickest solution. If we knew the nature of your support requirements, then we could pos

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 01:02 PM, James Butler wrote: Are you supporting users who you provide a shared hosting embodiment too, and do you control binary installations on the enviroments? If so then possibly patching source for you installs maybe the easiest and quickest solution. If we knew the nature o

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 12:57 PM, Mark Skilbeck wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:44:41 -0500 Jack Timmons wrote: Also, as one who also answers other's questions (although not IRC, because its my experience most people asking/*answering* questions on there are dbags), FTFY. That's just rude,

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 12:44 PM, Jack Timmons wrote: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Chad Emrys wrote: I just know the bigger culture of those who use PHP, and some of them are quite annoyed by the dismissive nature of the maintainers who are quite at odds to what the majority of the community w

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 12:44 PM, Peter Lind wrote: On 30 October 2010 19:18, Chad Emrys wrote: On 10/30/2010 11:58 AM, Daniel P. Brown wrote: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:47, Chad Emryswrote: It's not that I'm that sure of myself, it's that I believe that my opinion has merit, and

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 30 October 2010 22:13, Chad Emrys wrote: *snip* > > I actually know Etienne, he does spend some of his time fighting the good > fight of supporting PHP :p.  Anyway he has said the lemon parser project is > going kind of slow as it is proving to be more difficult because some of the > weirdnes

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 03:21 PM, Peter Lind wrote: On 30 October 2010 22:13, Chad Emrys wrote: *snip* I actually know Etienne, he does spend some of his time fighting the good fight of supporting PHP :p. Anyway he has said the lemon parser project is going kind of slow as it is proving to be more

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 03:21 PM, Peter Lind wrote: On 30 October 2010 22:13, Chad Emrys wrote: *snip* I actually know Etienne, he does spend some of his time fighting the good fight of supporting PHP :p. Anyway he has said the lemon parser project is going kind of slow as it is proving to be more

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Oct 30 19:44:08, Peter Lind wrote: > On 30 October 2010 19:18, Chad Emrys wrote: > > On 10/30/2010 11:58 AM, Daniel P. Brown wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:47, Chad Emrys  wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> It's not that I'm that sure of myself, it's that I believe that my > >>> opinion > >>>

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 03:32 PM, Etienne Kneuss wrote: lemon would indeed get rid of actual "names" for such tokens, and would rather display "unnexpected ::". The problem with lemon is that it turns out to still be a tad bit slower than yacc, with some complications on the grammar side (the compiler hel

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

>From a completely separate stand point. The ability to customise what token >names show up as in an error seems like a much better solution -- James Butler Sent from my iPhone On 30 Oct 2010, at 21:41, "Chad Emrys" wrote: > On 10/30/2010 03:32 PM, Etienne Kneuss wrote: >> lemon would indeed g

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Chad Emrys wrote: > I'm not arguing about learning another culture. The argument is that an > error message that should be straight forward, isn't. You misunderstand my point. It isn't straightforward for -you- because that isn't your native language. Thus the cu

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 07:50:29PM -0500, Jack Timmons wrote: > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Chad Emrys wrote: > > I'm not arguing about learning another culture. The argument is that an > > error message that should be straight forward, isn't. > > You misunderstand my point. > > It isn't st

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

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Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 07:50 PM, Jack Timmons wrote: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Chad Emrys wrote: I'm not arguing about learning another culture. The argument is that an error message that should be straight forward, isn't. You misunderstand my point. It isn't straightforward for -you-

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

It's amazing to me this has become such a long discussion. The facts are simple: 1) People don't ask for the other parse errors even half as often as they as for T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM 2) They do so because it looks like gibberish to them, so it looks unlikely to be a common thing you can Goog

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 30 October 2010 01:47, admin wrote: > WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? > > This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they come > across it.  Can we please change the token name to T_DOUBLE_COLON so I don't > have to hear about it constantly? > > Those that disagree don't d

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

Stan Vass wrote: It's amazing to me this has become such a long discussion. The facts are simple: 1) People don't ask for the other parse errors even half as often as they as for T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM 2) They do so because it looks like gibberish to them, so it looks unlikely to be a common

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Nathan Rixham wrote: > Makes sense, just alias it and change the error message thus keeping bc. Please just move on. Everything possible has been said already. If we feel like there are critical issues introduced by this error message, then we may fix it, at some

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Fri, October 29, 2010 7:47 pm, admin wrote: > WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? > > This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they > come across it. Can we please change the token name to T_DOUBLE_COLON > so I don't have to hear about it constantly? > > Those that disagree

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010/11/1 Richard Lynch > On Fri, October 29, 2010 7:47 pm, admin wrote: > > WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? > > > > This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they > > come across it. Can we please change the token name to T_DOUBLE_COLON > > so I don't have to hear about i

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 11/1/10 1:47 PM, Felipe Pena wrote: > 2010/11/1 Richard Lynch > >> On Fri, October 29, 2010 7:47 pm, admin wrote: >>> WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? >>> >>> This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they >>> come across it. Can we please change the token name to T_DOUB

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > On 11/1/10 1:47 PM, Felipe Pena wrote: > > 2010/11/1 Richard Lynch > > > >> On Fri, October 29, 2010 7:47 pm, admin wrote: > >>> WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? > >>> > >>> This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when th

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Felipe Pena wrote: > 2010/11/1 Richard Lynch > > > On Fri, October 29, 2010 7:47 pm, admin wrote: > > > WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? > > > > > > This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they > > > come across it. Can we please change th

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Felipe Pena wrote: > 2010/11/1 Richard Lynch > > > On Fri, October 29, 2010 7:47 pm, admin wrote: > > > WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? > > > > > > This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they > > > come across it. Can we please change the

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> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: Stan Vass [mailto:sv_for...@fmethod.com] > Verzonden: maandag 1 november 2010 10:19 > Aan: internals@lists.php.net > Onderwerp: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to > T_DOUBLE_COLON > Urgentie: Laag > > It'

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Haarbrink : >> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- >> Van: Stan Vass [mailto:sv_for...@fmethod.com] >> Verzonden: maandag 1 november 2010 10:19 >> Aan: internals@lists.php.net >> Onderwerp: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to >> T_DOUBLE_COLON >> Ur

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 10:58:36AM +0100, Dennis Haarbrink wrote: > Come on people, what exactly is the problem with a once-in-a-lifetime > investment of 5 seconds of your time to google some stupid error message. > Something you, as a developer, spend your life doing. > > Please, stop complaini

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 01 Nov 2010, at 12:06, Alexander Schrijver wrote: > Its a minor change and an annoyance to a lot of people. Yes, by not changing > this you'r annoying thousands of people. Instead of going for this cosmetic nonsense you should help those people on the lemon branch. I am insulted every time I h

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

+1 This solves lots of other problems we have and will have in the future. -- James Butler Sent from my iPhone On 1 Nov 2010, at 12:00, "Stefan Marr" wrote: > > On 01 Nov 2010, at 12:06, Alexander Schrijver wrote: >> Its a minor change and an annoyance to a lot of people. Yes, by not changin

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 12:59:54PM +0100, Stefan Marr wrote: > > On 01 Nov 2010, at 12:06, Alexander Schrijver wrote: > > Its a minor change and an annoyance to a lot of people. Yes, by not changing > > this you'r annoying thousands of people. > Instead of going for this cosmetic nonsense you shou

RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

-Original Message- From: Alexander Schrijver [mailto:alexander.schrij...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 November 2010 12:19 To: Stefan Marr Cc: Dennis Haarbrink; Stan Vass; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON On

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

ss; internals@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename > T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON > > On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 12:59:54PM +0100, Stefan Marr wrote: > > > > On 01 Nov 2010, at 12:06, Alexander Schrijver wrote: > > > Its a m

[PHP-DEV] [alexander.schrij...@gmail.com: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON]

Oops, should've sent this to the list too. - Forwarded message from Alexander Schrijver - Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:28:59 +0100 From: Alexander Schrijver To: James Butler Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON User-Agent:

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lto:alexander.schrij...@gmail.com] > > Sent: 01 November 2010 12:19 > > To: Stefan Marr > > Cc: Dennis Haarbrink; Stan Vass; internals@lists.php.net > > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename > > T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [alexander.schrij...@gmail.com: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON]

On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 01:36:24PM +0100, Etienne Kneuss wrote: > > It's the policy: > > > There are two reasons this term will stay. It is a tip of the hat to > > > the amount of PHP work that came out of Israel, and it is a good > > > > > > re

Re: [PHP-DEV] [alexander.schrij...@gmail.com: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON]

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Alexander Schrijver < alexander.schrij...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 01:36:24PM +0100, Etienne Kneuss wrote: > > > It's the policy: > > > > There are two reasons this term will stay. It is a tip of the hat to > > > > the amount of PHP work that cam

Re: [PHP-DEV] [alexander.schrij...@gmail.com: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON]

On Nov 01 13:43:14, Alexander Schrijver wrote: > On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 01:36:24PM +0100, Etienne Kneuss wrote: > > > It's the policy: > > > > There are two reasons this term will stay. It is a tip of the hat to > > > > the amount of PHP work that came out of Israel, and it is a good > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [alexander.schrij...@gmail.com: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON]

> > Yes, there is a reason: > > As it was explained before, lemon would not display token names but > actual token "values". So instead of "Unexpected T_PAABLAH" it would say > "Unexpected '::' ..." > hello, value of some tokens is not what would be expected either. Think a bit about T_STRING for