Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-05 Thread John Coggeshall
On Jun 3, 2011, at 4:43 AM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2011, Stas Malyshev wrote: - a call to vote is easily drowned out on the ML with all the noise I read the same ML as you do :) Using threaded email client it is very easy to separate new threads and see calls for

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-05 Thread Zeev Suraski
On Jun 4, 2011, at 3:07 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote: [VOTE] is a good idea, let's make it [VOTE]. There is no plugin used for it yet, and that's my problem with it. Well, votes aren't announced yet either :)

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-05 Thread Pierre Joye
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote: Some of you may have followed the twitter conversation that Pierre and I had at the end of last week;  In my opinion, this dry (or partially wet) run that we had in the last few days of a voting process pointed to several

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-05 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 17:20, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote: Some of you may have followed the twitter conversation that Pierre and I had at the end of last week;  In my opinion, this dry (or partially wet) run that

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-05 Thread Philip Olson
On Jun 5, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: I'd to say that I'm very happy to finally see such discussions happening, let sort the base (99% is done by our existing RFC about release process, let adopt it already!) and move on with 5.4. This is a prime example of what we're talking

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-05 Thread Pierre Joye
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Hannes Magnusson hannes.magnus...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 17:20, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote: Some of you may have followed the twitter conversation that Pierre and I

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-05 Thread David Soria Parra
On 2011-06-05, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Philip Olson phi...@roshambo.org wrote: I'd to say that I'm very happy to finally see such discussions happening, let sort the base (99% is done by our existing RFC about release process, let adopt it

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-04 Thread Pierre Joye
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote: [VOTE] is a good idea, let's make it [VOTE]. There is no plugin used for it yet, and that's my problem with it. Well, votes aren't announced yet either :) I'll try to get it set up ASAP and see how it works, before

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-04 Thread Philip Olson
On Jun 4, 2011, at 3:07 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote: [VOTE] is a good idea, let's make it [VOTE]. There is no plugin used for it yet, and that's my problem with it. Well, votes aren't announced yet either :) I'll try

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-04 Thread John Crenshaw
04, 2011 9:30 AM To: Pierre Joye Cc: Stas Malyshev; Derick Rethans; PHP Internals Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward) On Jun 4, 2011, at 3:07 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-04 Thread Pierre Joye
hi Philip, On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Philip Olson phi...@roshambo.org wrote:  - RFC: Request For Comments Thanks for the reminder. But RFC got approved at some point as well. See the numerous W3C RFCs for some known examples. And while doing so, not revert to a vote (RFV?) simply

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-04 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! Please keep them in the wiki as we planed to do. THere are plugins and it is very easy to manage, allows per section voting etc. I've installed voting plugin, see description here: http://www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:doodle2 and example how it looks here at the end (login required to vote):

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-04 Thread Pierre Joye
right, that's the one I was willing to install as well, great that you did it! Thanks :) On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote: Hi! Please keep them in the wiki as we planed to do. THere are plugins and it is very easy to manage, allows per section voting

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-04 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 19:58, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote: Hi! Please keep them in the wiki as we planed to do. THere are plugins and it is very easy to manage, allows per section voting etc. I've installed voting plugin, see description here:

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-03 Thread Michael Shadle
Why doesnt voting happen using a poll/voting engine. Written in (gasp) PHP! (although soon PJSON) On Jun 3, 2011, at 1:03 AM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote: Hi! Voting on the wiki? Yuck. If you want participation, do it here on the mailinglist and store the record in the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-03 Thread Drak
Have you guys considered doodle.com? I think you are all stressing way too much over the voting process. When a vote is closed you can then transfer the decision to the RFC. Drak On 3 June 2011 14:12, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Derick Rethans

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)

2011-06-03 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! That is subjective. And even with a threaded client, if there are 80+ new messages then the call for vote is drowned out. *Requiring* There was never 80+ new messages on different topics on the list. There are 3-4 topics max, if you not count commit messages. Each of them can contain