Re: [mobile-ip] RFC 2462 DAD optimization

2002-06-04 Thread Erik Nordmark
I'm curious about the implementation status. I know the Windows implementation does not implement the RFC 2462 optimization - it performs DAD on every address independently. What about other implementations? FWIW The Solaris implementation does supress DAD on addresses configured using the

Re: [mobile-ip] RE: RFC 2462 DAD optimization

2002-06-04 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:32:26 -0700 From:Charles E. Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | My questions were related whether that model should be our design goal. Maximum flexibility. Long term we will find a way to use that. This implies

Re: [mobile-ip] RE: RFC 2462 DAD optimization

2002-06-04 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:46:03 -0700 From:Dave Thaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | No. In fact, I would expect that if any prefix is multilink, then all | of them should be. Why? I'm no expert on multi-link, in fact, I'm not sure I

Re: [mobile-ip] RE: RFC 2462 DAD optimization

2002-06-04 Thread Erik Nordmark
My guess is that it will just effectively mean people will not use multiple prefixes for mobile nodes. i guess so too, and therefore, i don't feel a need to provide special hack in DAD. it is not a protocol issue, but an operational matter. I agree that we don't need

Re: [mobile-ip] RE: RFC 2462 DAD optimization

2002-06-04 Thread Erik Nordmark
| My preference is that we just ban DAD optimization in all cases. That's certainly an option. The new prefix causes several thousand nodes to all attempt DAD at the same time argument is the one which makes me hesitant to simply support this without further investigation. If that is a

RE: Mandating Route Optimization

2002-06-04 Thread lassi . hippelainen
Dear list, this issue is taking much time and ammunition, and it's mostly wasted. We know that the decision between MUST and SHOULD will be made in the IESG, not here. It all boils down to interpreting the words of RFC2119. The make some progress, I'd like to suggest a work plan. Step 1:

Re: Text for MLD - cellular host draft

2002-06-04 Thread Brian Haberman
Hesham, The text looks fine to me. Regards, Brian Hesham Soliman (ERA) wrote: Hi all, After some discussion on the list, I'd like to propose the following text for MLD in the cellular host draft: 2.9 RFC2710 - Multicast Listener Discovery (MLD) for IPv6 MLD

Re: Text for MLD - cellular host draft

2002-06-04 Thread itojun
After some discussion on the list, I'd like to propose the following text for MLD in the cellular host draft: 2.9 RFC2710 - Multicast Listener Discovery (MLD) for IPv6 MLD may be supported by cellular hosts. 2.9.1 MLD in 3GPP networks Within 3GPP networks, hosts

Re: [mobile-ip] RE: RFC 2462 DAD optimization

2002-06-04 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:26:31 +0200 (CEST) From:Erik Nordmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | If that is a problem then the MAY for the optimization in RFC 2462 | wouldn't be sufficient as a solution - very few implementations do | the

Re: Text for MLD - cellular host draft

2002-06-04 Thread Jari Arkko
Hi Itojun, i still don't understand why you are trying to impose additional restriction for link-local multicast groups (maybe i'm dumb). without MLD joins for link-local multicast groups, default routers won't be able to know which multicast group the 3GPP node is interested in. there's no

DNS discovery thoughts

2002-06-04 Thread Erik Nordmark
I've been thinking about the DNS discovery, as well as the larger service discovery with no 3rd party dependencies issue, for a while. Just like Steve Deering and many others I'd like the IETF to explore the larger issue, since I'm very much interested in making the future Internet more

Re: Text for MLD - cellular host draft

2002-06-04 Thread Markku Savela
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] i still don't understand why you are trying to impose additional restriction for link-local multicast groups (maybe i'm dumb). without MLD joins for link-local multicast groups, default routers won't be able to know which multicast group the

Re: Text for MLD - cellular host draft

2002-06-04 Thread Markku Savela
From: Markku Savela [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once again, I must have missed something. Why is there ever any reason to do MLD on any link-local group? Well, from other posts here, I guess it's to help those switches and such. However, it does somewhat bother me, that we have an exact

More review comments on cellular hosts...

2002-06-04 Thread Thomas Narten
Here are some additional review comments from various IESG reviewers: RFC 3155 should be added to the normative refs in my opinion. I'm not opposed to keeping the non-normative ref to the 2.5/3G TCP issues draft that started me on this. Another reviewer: Comments on

Re: More review comments on cellular hosts...

2002-06-04 Thread Jari Arkko
Thanks Thomas (and the IESG) for the comments. Some responses inline: RFC 3155 should be added to the normative refs in my opinion. I'm not opposed to keeping the non-normative ref to the 2.5/3G TCP issues draft that started me on this. Ok! 2.4.1 says that the host must support receipt of

Re: IPv6 MIBs - IPv4-mapped IPv6 addresses

2002-06-04 Thread Bill Fenner
I think SIIT communication using v4-mapped addresses should be represented as InetAddressType ipv6(2), and InetAddress of :::x.y.z.q . What is the relationship between a zone index and an IPv4-mapped IPv6 address? Thanks! I think that some implementations provide the zone concept for IPv4

Re: DNS discovery thoughts

2002-06-04 Thread James Kempf
Erik, I know there is considerable prejudice against SLP as a solution to the general problem, but it certainly is available. It supports discovery without a 3rd party. The only definitive criticism that I've ever heard about SLP is the coupling of a directory service function with service

Re: Text for MLD - cellular host draft

2002-06-04 Thread Bill Fenner
As Neighbor Discovery operates without relying on MLD, joining on solicited node and all nodes multicast addresses is not required. I read join to mean the action performed on the IP stack to indicate group membership (e.g. adding the group to the list of groups listened to and

Re: DNS discovery thoughts

2002-06-04 Thread Keith Moore
actually, SLP seems like a much better fit than DNS for the problem of discovering hosts on an ad hoc network - not just because SLP is desinged to work without an third-party server but also because service discovery seems to fit the likely use model better than host name lookup. in

Re: DNS discovery thoughts

2002-06-04 Thread itojun
actually, SLP seems like a much better fit than DNS for the problem of discovering hosts on an ad hoc network - not just because SLP is desinged to work without an third-party server but also because service discovery seems to fit the likely use model better than host name lookup. in

Re: DNS discovery thoughts

2002-06-04 Thread Keith Moore
sorry, I was even more confused than that - I got two message threads from different groups mixed up. please disregard my previous message. actually, SLP seems like a much better fit than DNS for the problem of discovering hosts on an ad hoc network - not just because SLP is desinged to