Re: Independence of Deprecation (Was: Re: Moving forward onSite-Local and Local Addressing)

2003-08-07 Thread Keith Moore
I look forward to reading an ID describing a set of necessary (not sufficient!) requirements fulfilled by scoped unicast addressing - i.e. the problems which cannot be solved by *any other* mechanism. personally I'm not interested in having this group spend any time trying to justify a

Re: Moving forward on Site-Local and Local Addressing

2003-08-07 Thread Aidan Williams
Geoff Huston wrote: At 06:30 PM 6/08/2003 +1000, Aidan Williams wrote: I can't see significant differences in process between globally unique local address allocation and a globally unique PI address allocation. I'd offer the view that there's a lot of difference. OK, I can see how

Real life scenario - requirements (local addressing)

2003-08-07 Thread Andrew White
A 'real life' deployment scenario. (a) I set up a local network. I currently have no ISP, but I want my network to 'just work' out of the box. This network consists of (initially) three routers, plus other infrastructure. (b) Sometime later I decide I want internet connectivity, so I connect

Re: Real life scenario - requirements (local addressing)

2003-08-07 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Andrew White wrote: Just responding to a few points.. On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Andrew White wrote: When that 6to4 address goes away, I don't want my persistent sessions to be forced to maintain a stale address. Why not? There's no problem with that, really. You

RE: Moving forward on Site-Local and Local Addressing

2003-08-07 Thread Michel Py
Michael, For a change I mostly agree (will detail below what I don't like) with what you just posted, especially: Michael Thomas wrote: so even these small sensible steps that you propose nonetheless seem grave in their global implications. and But I'm sorry, if NAT's become a de-facto

Re: Real life scenario - requirements (local addressing)

2003-08-07 Thread Pekka Savola
Hi Mark, Thanks for the long reply; I found it very interesting. A few more comments in-line.. (hopefully this won't drift too far off-topic..) On 7 Aug 2003, Mark Smith wrote: On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 17:47, Pekka Savola wrote: On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Andrew White wrote: Just responding to a

RE: Moving forward on Site-Local and Local Addressing

2003-08-07 Thread matthew . ford
A) Deprecate Site-Local addresses independently from having an alternative solution available. This would mean that the working group should treat the deprecation, and requirements and solution documents outlined above independently from each other. If there was no consensus on an

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-hinden-ipv6-global-local-addr-01.txt

2003-08-07 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Peter Barany wrote: Hi, Two questions about this I-D: (1) In Section 3.2.3 Sample Code for Pseudo-Random Global ID Algorithm, step (1) of the algorithm states: Obtain the current time of day in 64-bit NTP format (NTP) Question: Would it be possible to have the I-D specify that how

Re: Real life scenario - requirements (local addressing)

2003-08-07 Thread Mark Smith
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 21:00, Pekka Savola wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks for the long reply; I found it very interesting. Thanks for reading it. A few more comments in-line.. (hopefully this won't drift too far off-topic..) Hopefully. On 7 Aug 2003, Mark Smith wrote: On Thu, 2003-08-07

RE: Real life scenario - requirements (local addressing)

2003-08-07 Thread Tony Hain
Andrew, Would you mind if we put this sequence in the requirements doc? Tony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew White Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:55 PM To: IPng Subject: Real life scenario - requirements (local

Re: Moving forward on Site-Local and Local Addressing

2003-08-07 Thread Dean Strik
Bob Hinden wrote: A) Deprecate Site-Local addresses independently from having an alternative solution available. A. -- Dean C. Strik Eindhoven University of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.ipnet6.org/ This isn't right. This isn't even wrong. --

apps people?

2003-08-07 Thread Michael Thomas
The few self-described apps people I've seen take a stand have to my recollection been strongly against dealing with locally scoped addresses . Have I missed anybody? It seems to me that people with strong app and/or host kernel background ought to be given a disproportionate voice in the

Re: Real life scenario - requirements (local addressing)

2003-08-07 Thread Aidan Williams
Pekka Savola wrote: On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Andrew White wrote: It's whether an application can assume that global addresses are never filtered, and the answer is that it can't. Ergo, global addresses are also scoped addresses. There is a difference of a couple of degrees of magnitude here.

Re: Real life scenario - requirements (local addressing)

2003-08-07 Thread Andrew White
Pekka Savola wrote: Just responding to a few points.. On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Andrew White wrote: When that 6to4 address goes away, I don't want my persistent sessions to be forced to maintain a stale address. Why not? There's no problem with that, really. You can continue using bogus

RE: Fourth alternative [was Re: Moving forward ....]

2003-08-07 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Michael Thomas wrote: [...] I really don't want to drag this into a meta argument about the merits of various solutions, but only to point out that the entire document is structured in a way that the answer is foregone. [...] Exactly. Some others have also voiced concerns

Re: Moving forward on Site-Local and Local Addressing

2003-08-07 Thread Margaret Wasserman
I prefer option (B), but I would find option (A) acceptable. Margaret IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http://playground.sun.com/ipng FTP archive: