[IPsec] Issue #177

2010-04-13 Thread Yoav Nir
Hi all. As the previous discussion on this topic showed, the WG would like a more thorough taxonomy in section 2 of the HA/LS draft. Here's what I have come up with so far. Please send comments to the list. 2. Terminology Single Gateway is an implementation of IKE and IPsec enforcing a

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177

2010-04-13 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Looks good. A few comments down below. Yaron On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 11:49 +0300, Yoav Nir wrote: Hi all. As the previous discussion on this topic showed, the WG would like a more thorough taxonomy in section 2 of the HA/LS draft. Here's what I have come up with so far. Please send

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177

2010-04-13 Thread Yoav Nir
On Apr 13, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Yaron Sheffer wrote: Looks good. A few comments down below. Yaron On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 11:49 +0300, Yoav Nir wrote: Fault Tolerance is a condition related to high availability, where a system maintains service availability, even when a specified

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177

2010-04-13 Thread Yaron Sheffer
[snip] Failover is the event where a one member takes over some load from some other member. In a hot standby cluster, this hapens when a standby memeber becomes active due to a failure of the former active member, or because of an administrator command. In a load sharing

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-25 Thread Raj Singh
+1 I agree with Dan. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Dan Harkins dhark...@lounge.org wrote: On Tue, March 23, 2010 7:24 pm, Yoav Nir wrote: On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Dan Harkins wrote: Hi, hot standby implies a box sitting (hot) twiddling its thumbs doing little but

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-25 Thread Tero Kivinen
Yoav Nir writes: I am not trying to create a complete taxonomy of cluster types. I think it is worth adding more defined terms, just to show which we are not talking about too. I should also note that we don't really have a term for a single thing that does IKE and IPsec. Our documents use

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-24 Thread Dan Harkins
On Tue, March 23, 2010 7:24 pm, Yoav Nir wrote: On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Dan Harkins wrote: Hi, hot standby implies a box sitting (hot) twiddling its thumbs doing little but waiting for another box to fail (standby). It's the VRRP model. And that's exactly what I want to

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-24 Thread Melinda Shore
On Tue, March 23, 2010 11:46 pm, Dan Harkins wrote: Of course it's not the only reason. But you're missing the point. The point is that the reason doesn't matter! You want to describe a particular reason-- the master crashed and all state went over to the hot standby-- not the generic

[IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-23 Thread Yoav Nir
And thank you for taking the time, Rod. The linktionary has a pretty good definition, though I don't know if it counts as textbook. Same for Wikipedia http://www.linktionary.com/f/fault_tolerance.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fault-tolerant_system Anyway, we need to limit the scope of this

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-23 Thread Rodney Van Meter
On Mar 24, 2010, at 6:20 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: - For the cluster with just one member doing IKE and IPsec, I propose hot-standby cluster - For the cluster with several members doing IKE and IPsec, I propose to keep load-sharing cluster Is this fine with everyone? I'm good with that, as

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-23 Thread Melinda Shore
On Tue, March 23, 2010 1:20 pm, Yoav Nir wrote: - For the cluster with just one member doing IKE and IPsec, I propose hot-standby cluster - For the cluster with several members doing IKE and IPsec, I propose to keep load-sharing cluster I think failover is in broader use than hot standby and

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-23 Thread Yoav Nir
On Mar 23, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: On Tue, March 23, 2010 1:20 pm, Yoav Nir wrote: - For the cluster with just one member doing IKE and IPsec, I propose hot-standby cluster - For the cluster with several members doing IKE and IPsec, I propose to keep load-sharing cluster I

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-23 Thread Dan Harkins
Hi, hot standby implies a box sitting (hot) twiddling its thumbs doing little but waiting for another box to fail (standby). It's the VRRP model. There is a HA model which supports dynamic load balancing as well as active session failover. Nodes in such a cluster are not standby. They

Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

2010-03-23 Thread Yoav Nir
On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Dan Harkins wrote: Hi, hot standby implies a box sitting (hot) twiddling its thumbs doing little but waiting for another box to fail (standby). It's the VRRP model. And that's exactly what I want to describe. Well, not twiddling its thumbs. The standby is