Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on Link Scoped IPv6 Multicast Addresses

2003-10-23 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Myung-Ki Shin wrote: [...] As Erik said, I think that this draft has benefits over unicast-prefix for scope =2. Each node can allocate group ID (32 bits) independently (without any user input, without a fear of collision or any additional mechanisms). There

RFC 2461bis issue: DNS configuration

2003-10-23 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
I haven't been on this list very long so I'm unaware of the reasons to revisit 2461 and I don't know whether the following issue has been discussed, but: Why is there no mechanism to learn DNS addresses through router advertisements? It is currently possible to attach a host to a link with

RE: RFC 2461bis issue: DNS configuration

2003-10-23 Thread Soliman Hesham
I haven't been on this list very long so I'm unaware of the reasons to revisit 2461 and I don't know whether the following issue has been discussed, but: Why is there no mechanism to learn DNS addresses through router advertisements? It is currently possible to attach a

RE: RFC 2461bis issue: DNS configuration

2003-10-23 Thread Soohong Daniel Park
Hello This issue was discussed at the dnsop wg in vienna and is still work in progress... You can touch with below draft related this issue. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-jeong-dnsop-ipv6-dns-discovery -00.txt Related drafts

RE: RFC 2461bis issue: DNS configuration

2003-10-23 Thread Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino
DHCPv6 allows for DNS configuration in hosts among other things. Please don't definitely say that. As I said, RA based DNS discovery is work in progress. Hesham's statement does not reject RA-based DNS discovery, it seems to me. there's nothing wrong with the above-quoted

Re: RFC 2461bis issue: MTU handling

2003-10-23 Thread Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino
the assumption made in RFC2461 is that the link MTU is constant over the link, i guess. i don't think it is necessary to make MTU negotiable between peers, it would complicate too many things. What would it complicate? Obviously nobody is going to force anyone to implement

RE: RFC 2461bis issue: DNS configuration

2003-10-23 Thread Soohong Daniel Park
Hello itojun Hesham's statement does not reject RA-based DNS discovery, it seems to me. there's nothing wrong with the above-quoted line. Yes, I didn't say something was wrong but considered one of issue. Regards Daniel (Soohong Daniel Park) Mobile Platform Laboratory, SAMSUNG Electronics

Re: RFC 2461bis issue: DNS configuration

2003-10-23 Thread Tim Chown
Iljitsch, I agree. This has been discussed a lot on the dnsop list... there is currently no consensus about DHCPv6(Lite) vs RA-based discovery. It will be interesting to see what the Moonv6 work may have to say in this area, as the issue I'm sure will have been encountered there. There are

Re: RFC 2461bis issue: MTU handling

2003-10-23 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: [...] the assumption made in RFC2461 is that the link MTU is constant over the link, i guess. i don't think it is necessary to make MTU negotiable between peers, it would complicate too many things. FWIW, I agree with this

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses

2003-10-23 Thread Geoff Huston
Please send substantive comments to the ipv6 mailing list, and minor editorial comments to the authors. This last call period will end on 5 November 2003. I do not believe that this document is ready for Proposed Standard. My comments (both as suggested text corrections and as more substantive

Re: RFC 2461- issue list

2003-10-23 Thread Erik Nordmark
I have a high-level question first; is the intent to do these updates and recycle the document as a draft standard? Or to try to move it to full standard? If recycle at draft is the goal, are there documents (such as MIPv6) which contain extensions to the packet formats which should be folded

Re: RFC 2461bis issue: MTU handling

2003-10-23 Thread Erik Nordmark
Currently, routers can advertise an MTU for a link. That's nice. But what we really need is a way for hosts to find out the MTU each individual neighbor can handle. 100 Mbps and slower ethernet interfaces can typically handle only the standard 1500 byte ethernet MTU, while gigabit

Re: RFC 2461bis issue: DNS configuration

2003-10-23 Thread Ronald van der Pol
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 08:39:37 +0100, Tim Chown wrote: Iljitsch, I agree. This has been discussed a lot on the dnsop list... there is currently no consensus about DHCPv6(Lite) vs RA-based discovery. This keeps popping up and we don't seem to be converging. Just before reading this thread I

Re: RFC 2461bis issue: DNS configuration

2003-10-23 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:40:29AM +0200, Ronald van der Pol wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 08:39:37 +0100, Tim Chown wrote: Iljitsch, I agree. This has been discussed a lot on the dnsop list... there is currently no consensus about DHCPv6(Lite) vs RA-based discovery. This keeps

Re: RFC 2461bis issue: DNS configuration

2003-10-23 Thread Pekka Savola
Hi, Could we drop this thread here? :-) IMHO, it's no use to try chase down this particular rathole in *this* working group as well. Just state that the discovery/configuration of DNS is outside of the scope of this specification. Additions can be defined separately in DNSOP or other WGs if

Re: RFC 2461bis issue: MTU handling

2003-10-23 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: [...] See http://sd.wareonearth.com/~phil/net/jumbo/ for some links surrounding this issue. Yes, and...? Even if you don't want a separate physical infrastructure, defining a VLAN is trivial. Really, I can't see all that many scenarios where

Re: RFC 2461bis issue: DNS configuration

2003-10-23 Thread Ralph Droms
The Cisco IOS DHCPv6 server does both stateless DHCP and PD. The two functions can be configured independently, so stateless DHCP can be configured with just a couple of CLI commands. Of course, the PD code is still in the IOS footprint... The primary problem at this point is deploy a client in

Re: RFC 2461bis issue: MTU handling

2003-10-23 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 23 okt 2003, at 11:08, Erik Nordmark wrote: [Having hosts discover and use a larger than standard MTU between them] This might be useful when the L2 doesn't have any MTU limitations. For instance, with IP over ATM the default MTU is 9k but AAL5 has a 16 bit length field (if I don't

Re: RFC 2461bis issue: MTU handling

2003-10-23 Thread Erik Nordmark
Such a capability would enhance a layer 3 neighbor MTU management capability, but it isn't required. Operators can simply have routers annouce an upper limit on the MTU that may be used on a subnet. This doesn't impede the best case scenario where all the switches support a good sized

I-D ACTION:draft-bykim-ipv6-hpd-00.txt

2003-10-23 Thread Internet-Drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Hierarchical Prefix Delegation Protocol Author(s) : B. Kim, K. Lee, J. Park, H. Kim Filename: draft-bykim-ipv6-hpd-00.txt Pages : 12

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-bykim-ipv6-hpd-00.txt

2003-10-23 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Hi, I think this is a very interesting document. In fact, we have been working in something similar for some time, but still not drafted it. Our case is a very good example, because we are working in a project (www.6power.org) that deploys IPv6 PLC networks. In our case, we may have different

Re: RFC 2461bis issue: DNS configuration

2003-10-23 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:03:12 +0100, Tim Chown [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There seem to be a handful DHCPv6 implementations, but no stripped down DHCPv6 Lite implementations yet (the Lite version not maintaining state for IP leases etc). I tried KAME's dhcp6[sc]. It seems to work. Don't

Re: A host who has private IPv4 address can communicate with IPv6 host globaly by 6to4 tunnel

2003-10-23 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Yes, but we know very well that most of the (cheap) router/NAT manufacturers will not implement 6to4 or any other IPv6 code until there is market to make business, so meanwhile we need to take advantages of any possible solutions. Regards, Jordi - Original Message - From: Juan

RFC 2461-new issue?

2003-10-23 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi, In section 4.2 of RFC 2461 regarding the RA message format the following is mentioned Reserved A 6-bit unused field. It MUST be initialized to zero by the sender and MUST be ignored by the receiver. The mobile-ipv6 draft

Re: RFC 2461bis issue: DNS configuration

2003-10-23 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 23 okt 2003, at 9:39, Tim Chown wrote: It will be interesting to see what the Moonv6 work may have to say in this area, as the issue I'm sure will have been encountered there. There are still very few people working in networks where IPv6 transport DNS lookup is a requirement, hence this

RE: RFC 2461bis issue: DNS configuration

2003-10-23 Thread Brian McGehee
A student in my IPv6 class this week made the comment regarding IPv6: It seems like the paint isn't dry yet! IPv6 needs stability and constant changes scare adopters away. I agree DNS should be a component of RA's. But I feel strongly that we need to stop making changes and show the industry

Re: RFC 2461- issue list

2003-10-23 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:18:12 -0400, Soliman Hesham [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have a high-level question first; is the intent to do these updates and recycle the document as a draft standard? Or to try to move it to full standard? = My understanding was that the new RFC would still be in

Re: A host who has private IPv4 address can communicate with IPv6 host globaly by 6to4 tunnel

2003-10-23 Thread Fred Templin
The same would work also for ISATAP (see: isatap.com), except that ISATAP can use any IPv6 prefix, i.e., not just 2002::/16. (Besides; 2002 was *last* year...) Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim Chown wrote: Hi, Yes, this will work. This technique is quite widely used, and is one reason for this

RE: A host who has private IPv4 address can communicate with IPv6 host globaly by 6to4 tunnel

2003-10-23 Thread Jeroen Massar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Fred Templin wrote: The same would work also for ISATAP (see: isatap.com), except that ISATAP can use any IPv6 prefix, i.e., not just 2002::/16. (Besides; 2002 was *last* year...) They are talking about 6to4 (proto-41 :) which can use both prefixes from

Re: A list of issues for RFC2462 update

2003-10-23 Thread Vijay Devarapalli
hi, here is another issue. it involves both 2461 and 2462. RFC 2461 says Before a host sends an initial solicitation, it SHOULD delay the transmission for a random amount of time between 0 and MAX_RTR_SOLICITATION_DELAY. RFC 2462 says If the Neighbor Solicitation is the first