Re: [rfc2462bis issue 275] DAD text inconsistencies

2004-02-25 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:16:02 +0200, > Jari Arkko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> So I really believe in the DAD usefulness and if you'd like to remove >> or "optimize" DAD on one of my networks my answer will be "NO!". > I believe the optimistic DAD folks are very keen on keeping the DAD

Re: Request To Advance : "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-25 Thread Bill Manning
% Bill Manning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: % % | be prepared to defend yourself in court(s) in any number of % | jurisdictions. % % Against whom exactly would he be defending? Presumably the litigation would % be initiated by someone who had a financial stake in the matter. Are you % acknowledgi

RE: Request To Advance : "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-25 Thread Jeroen Massar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dan Lanciani wrote: > "Jeroen Massar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > |Dan Lanciani wrote: > | > |> "Jeroen Massar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > |> > |> |I have only one note on the "unique local ipv6 address" subject: > |> | > |> |Organisations wanting "unconn

Re: [rfc2462bis issue 275] DAD text inconsistencies

2004-02-25 Thread James Kempf
Hi Francis, > => this is a half baked solution, i.e., either you don't want duplicates > on your network and you enforce DAD, or you accept possible problems > and you makes the live of mobile nodes (and of implementors) far easier. > So let me ask a question. If you believe optimized DAD is a ha

Re: Request To Advance : "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-25 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Bill Manning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > be prepared to defend yourself in court(s) in any number of jurisdictions. > ... You should have the ISOC/IETF legal team review the creation of > property rights by the WG chairs and the IESG. Its not going to be easy > and its not clear the effort

RE: Request To Advance : "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-25 Thread Dan Lanciani
"Jeroen Massar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |Dan Lanciani wrote: | |> "Jeroen Massar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> |> |I have only one note on the "unique local ipv6 address" subject: |> | |> |Organisations wanting "unconnected addressspace" should go to |> |an existing organisation that they thi

RE: Request To Advance : "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-25 Thread Jeroen Massar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dan Lanciani wrote: > "Jeroen Massar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > |I have only one note on the "unique local ipv6 address" subject: > | > |Organisations wanting "unconnected addressspace" should go to > |an existing organisation that they think will outlast

RE: Request To Advance : "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-25 Thread Dan Lanciani
"Jeroen Massar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |I have only one note on the "unique local ipv6 address" subject: | |Organisations wanting "unconnected addressspace" should go to |an existing organisation that they think will outlast them in age |and that already has a LIR allocation allocated. Give th

Re: Request To Advance : "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-25 Thread Dan Lanciani
Bill Manning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | be prepared to defend yourself in court(s) in any number of | jurisdictions. Against whom exactly would he be defending? Presumably the litigation would be initiated by someone who had a financial stake in the matter. Are you acknowledging that the curr

RE: Request To Advance : "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-25 Thread Jeroen Massar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Alain Durand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > |- Permanent allocation is equivalent of selling address space, I have only one note on the "unique local ipv6 address" subject: Organisations wanting "unconnected addressspace" should go to an existing organisati

Re: Request To Advance : "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-25 Thread Dan Lanciani
Alain Durand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |- Permanent allocation is equivalent of selling address space, No, it is not. Address space could be given away at no cost just as it was in the beginning. A fee may be a useful tool to discourage hoarding, but there may be other equally effective (or ev

Re: Request To Advance : "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"

2004-02-25 Thread Bill Manning
be prepared to defend yourself in court(s) in any number of jurisdictions. You should check w/ the RIRs on their role/position wrt legal precident on address/prefix ownership. You should have the ISOC/IETF legal team review the creation of property rights by the WG chairs and the IESG. Its

Re: Optimistic DAD _still_!

2004-02-25 Thread Jari Arkko
Hi Francis, There seems to be some people who do have an interest in quick startup & movement times. => in this case they should use dedicated links where DAD is disabled, RAs are used at a silly high rate, etc. I agree that DAD is not the only issue to look at here -- I once calculate

IPv6 WG: Call for Scribes

2004-02-25 Thread Brian Haberman
All, The chairs are soliciting volunteers to be scribes for the IPv6 WG session in Seoul. If you are willing to perform this duty, please contact us. Thanks, Brian & Bob IETF IPv6 working group mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]