Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Bob DHCPv6/SLAAC Address Configuration Interaction Problem Statement draft-liu-bonica-dhcpv6-slaac-problem-01.txt I think this is a very important topic. Its impact might seem to fall more in v6ops territory, and it also has relevance to mif and homenet, but only 6man (IMHO) can fix

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Dear All, I am sorry, it took a while that I could revise and apply comments to the draft. But, unfortunately there was not enough time to upload a new version and I could just upload a version with a few revision. I would ask you again to consider the presentation as it would be a great chance

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Karl Auer
On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 16:02 -0800, Bob Hinden wrote: A Simple Secure Addressing Generation Scheme for IPv6 AutoConfiguration draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-01.txt [...] DHCPv6/SLAAC Address Configuration Interaction Problem Statement draft-liu-bonica-dhcpv6-slaac-problem-01.txt

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Bob, The agenda shows an obsolete version for draft-carpenter-6man-ext-transmit-02. The changes are significant! Regards Brian IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests:

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Ole Troan
Brian, The agenda shows an obsolete version for draft-carpenter-6man-ext-transmit-02. The changes are significant! thanks, fixed. cheers, Ole IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests:

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Dear All, I would appreciate if you explain your criteria for assigning time slot to the drafts while other drafts discussed on the mailing list too. The recent discussion on the list about the following drafts that you assigned the time slot. draft-boucadair-6man-multicast-addr-arch : 3

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Follow up In my last email I asked about what criteria was being used because it seems to me that giving time slots to some drafts and almost none to others wasn't based on the criteria that you mentioned. - none of the selected drafts which have been assigned a time slot are WG drafts so this

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Nalini Elkins
Karl, I definitely agree that ND needs to be secured.  Also agree that neither IPSec nor SEND are viable solutions. I do not know if I am missing something but I have not seen a comprehensive document with these problems detailed.  I certainly don't have a solution but I have been trying to

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
ND security is an important topic. Let me explain why. We consider the use of ND over 802.11p links for vehicular communications. These links dont have ESSID nor link-layer security. (it is not clear whether it is legal to run IP straight over 80211p, being safety apps) but once it becomes

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Dear Nalini, Our draft http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-02 talks about a solution for securing ND while also considering privacy. You can read this version, however, I will be uploading the latest version on 11 March when IETF is again open for submissions. If after reading

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
In the latest version of my draft RFC,SSAS, l have provided information about using SSAS for mobile nodes and I have specified the sections of the RFCs that can use this mechanism. So maybe this can prove useful for vehicular communication too. Are the drafts that you mentioned discussed in 6man?

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Nalini Elkins
Hosnieh, I will read and respond.   Thank you for working on a solution to this important problem.   Thanks, Nalini Elkins Inside Products, Inc. (831) 659-8360 www.insidethestack.com From: Hosnieh Rafiee i...@rozanak.com To: 'Nalini Elkins'

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Hosnieh, I would have to read the draft and feed back about SSAS. Some of the drafts I mentioned (ND-PD) were presented to 6MAN meeting in Atlanta, and discussed on the email list. One of the drafts (draft-jhlee-mext-mnpp-00) is considered at ISO, but I dont know its status. Another draft

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Nalini Elkins
Guys, I am going to go back and review IPv6 Neighbor Discovery (ND) Trust Models and Threats: RFC 3756 http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3756/ For all who think that ND and RA in particular does not have problems, here is a UTube video of a hacker at work using RA.

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Dear Nalini, Yes. That RFC is an old RFC that explained the most probable attacks that could be used against ND. This is the main reason that ND is not at all secure and the people who think that just privacy is enough (like what was just implemented in windows) are making a big mistake. In our

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Nalini Elkins
Hosnieh, Very interesting!  We ourselves are working on the same project!  A toolkit to help people protect themselves against IPv6 attacks.  I think the time has definitely come. Please contact me offline if you would like to collaborate.   Thanks, Nalini Elkins Inside Products, Inc. (831)

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Michael Richardson
Karl == Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au writes: Karl On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 16:02 -0800, Bob Hinden wrote: A Simple Secure Addressing Generation Scheme for IPv6 AutoConfiguration draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-01.txt [...] DHCPv6/SLAAC Address Configuration Interaction Problem Statement

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
SASS is similar, but uses a different algorithm, and you don't have to recalculate each time you move. For nodes that don't move, it seems identical. This is not true. I think that you have confused this draft with another draft that was not about security but had the title Stable Privacy

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Mark Smith
Hi, - Original Message - From: Michael Richardson mcr+i...@sandelman.ca To: Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 5:48 AM Subject: Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Karl == Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au writes:     Karl On Mon, 2013-03-04

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Carsten Bormann
On Mar 5, 2013, at 01:02, Bob Hinden bob.hin...@gmail.com wrote: 6LoWPAN Backbone Router draft-thubert-6lowpan-backbone-router-02.txt That actually has received more discussion back in 2010... (I think you want to point to -03.) An earlier version of that draft received even more

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Dear Mark, I'm curious what the specific problem with SEND is. Is it the lack of commonly available implementations, or the manual work to bootstrap it (IIRC that is required), or both? The IETF obviously can't solve the former. If it is the latter, I wonder if the Better-Than-Nothing model,

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Bob Hinden
Carsten, On Mar 5, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: On Mar 5, 2013, at 01:02, Bob Hinden bob.hin...@gmail.com wrote: 6LoWPAN Backbone Router draft-thubert-6lowpan-backbone-router-02.txt That actually has received more discussion back in 2010... (I think you want to point

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Dear Bob, Thanks for the explanation. I would ask that you correct the version number of my draft to 2 in the following link: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/agenda/agenda-86-6man . I would also ask that I at least be given some time to explain the purpose of this draft and the differences

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Bob Hinden
Hosnieh, On Mar 5, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: Dear Bob, Thanks for the explanation. I would ask that you correct the version number of my draft to 2 in the following link: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/agenda/agenda-86-6man . Fixed. I would also ask that I at least be

Fwd: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-udpchecksums-06.txt

2013-03-05 Thread Bob Hinden
Brian, Since the one week working group last call ended yesterday on the zero checksum documents and we didn't see any comments on the changes (other than the status in the last call) in these two drafts on the mailing list, we think you can proceed with advancing both of these documents to