Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-08 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Bob, Please replace the link to http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-00 with a link to http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-02 Thanks! Cheers, Fernando On 03/04/2013 09:02 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: You can find the current 6MAN agenda

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-08 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/08/2013 12:06 AM, Fernando Gont wrote: Hi, Bob, Please replace the link to http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-00 with a link to http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-02 It's better to leave the -NN off the end altogether, then the

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-06 Thread Michael Richardson
Hosnieh == Hosnieh Rafiee i...@rozanak.com writes: Hosnieh This is not true. I think that you have confused this Hosnieh draft with another draft that was not about security but Hosnieh had the title Stable Privacy Addresses. Otherwise you are Hosnieh saying that you do not want

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-06 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Richardson Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:31 PM To: Hosnieh Rafiee Cc: Karl Auer; ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hosnieh == Hosnieh Rafiee i...@rozanak.com writes: Hosnieh This is not true. I think that you have confused this Hosnieh draft with another draft

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Bob DHCPv6/SLAAC Address Configuration Interaction Problem Statement draft-liu-bonica-dhcpv6-slaac-problem-01.txt I think this is a very important topic. Its impact might seem to fall more in v6ops territory, and it also has relevance to mif and homenet, but only 6man (IMHO) can fix

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Agenda for IETF86 You can find the current 6MAN agenda at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/agenda/agenda-86-6man We prioritized drafts that are working group items and drafts that have been actively discussed on the list. As you will note in the agenda, there is a if time allowed section

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Karl Auer
On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 16:02 -0800, Bob Hinden wrote: A Simple Secure Addressing Generation Scheme for IPv6 AutoConfiguration draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-01.txt [...] DHCPv6/SLAAC Address Configuration Interaction Problem Statement draft-liu-bonica-dhcpv6-slaac-problem-01.txt

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Bob, The agenda shows an obsolete version for draft-carpenter-6man-ext-transmit-02. The changes are significant! Regards Brian IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests:

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Ole Troan
Brian, The agenda shows an obsolete version for draft-carpenter-6man-ext-transmit-02. The changes are significant! thanks, fixed. cheers, Ole IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests:

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
mins http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipv6/current/maillist.html Thank you, Hosnieh -Original Message- From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bob Hinden Sent: Dienstag, 5. März 2013 01:03 To: IPv6 List Cc: Bob Hinden Subject: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
-Original Message- From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hosnieh Rafiee Sent: Dienstag, 5. März 2013 12:26 To: 'Bob Hinden'; 'Ole Troan' Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Dear All, I would appreciate if you explain your criteria

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Nalini Elkins
Subject: Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 16:02 -0800, Bob Hinden wrote:     A Simple Secure Addressing Generation Scheme for IPv6 AutoConfiguration     draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-01.txt [...]     DHCPv6/SLAAC Address Configuration Interaction Problem Statement     draft-liu-bonica

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
, March 5, 2013 1:37 AM *Subject:* Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 16:02 -0800, Bob Hinden wrote: A Simple Secure Addressing Generation Scheme for IPv6 AutoConfiguration draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-01.txt [...] DHCPv6/SLAAC Address Configuration Interaction Problem Statement draft-liu

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Karl, I definitely agree that ND needs to be secured. Also agree that neither IPSec nor SEND are viable solutions. I do not know if I am missing something but I have not seen a comprehensive document with these problems detailed. I certainly don't have a solution

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
To: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 ND security is an important topic. Let me explain why. We consider the use of ND over 802.11p links for vehicular communications. These links dont have ESSID nor link-layer security. (it is not clear whether it is legal to run IP straight over

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Nalini Elkins
...@insidethestack.com Cc: ipv6@ietf.org; 'Karl Auer' ka...@biplane.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 5:45 AM Subject: RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Dear Nalini,   Our draft http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-02 talks about a solution for securing ND while also considering privacy. You

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru Petrescu Sent: Dienstag, 5. März 2013 14:40 To: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 ND security is an important topic. Let me explain why. We consider the use of ND over 802.11p links for vehicular communications. These links dont have ESSID

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Nalini Elkins
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 6:41 AM Subject: Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hosnieh, I would have to read the draft and feed back about SSAS. Some of the drafts I mentioned (ND-PD) were presented to 6MAN meeting in Atlanta, and discussed on the email list.  One of the drafts (draft-jhlee-mext-mnpp-00

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Message- From: Nalini Elkins [mailto:nalini.elk...@insidethestack.com] Sent: Dienstag, 5. März 2013 16:25 To: Alexandru Petrescu; Hosnieh Rafiee; Karl Auer Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Guys, I am going to go back and review IPv6 Neighbor Discovery (ND) Trust Models

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Nalini Elkins
Subject: RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Dear Nalini, Yes. That RFC is an old RFC that explained the most probable attacks that could be used against ND. This is the main reason that ND is not at all secure and the people who think that just privacy is enough (like what was just implemented in windows

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Michael Richardson
Karl == Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au writes: Karl On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 16:02 -0800, Bob Hinden wrote: A Simple Secure Addressing Generation Scheme for IPv6 AutoConfiguration draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-01.txt [...] DHCPv6/SLAAC Address Configuration Interaction Problem Statement

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
@ietf.org Subject: Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Karl == Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au writes: Karl On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 16:02 -0800, Bob Hinden wrote: A Simple Secure Addressing Generation Scheme for IPv6 AutoConfiguration draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-01.txt [...] DHCPv6/SLAAC Address

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Mark Smith
Hi, - Original Message - From: Michael Richardson mcr+i...@sandelman.ca To: Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 5:48 AM Subject: Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Karl == Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au writes:     Karl On Mon, 2013-03-04

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Carsten Bormann
On Mar 5, 2013, at 01:02, Bob Hinden bob.hin...@gmail.com wrote: 6LoWPAN Backbone Router draft-thubert-6lowpan-backbone-router-02.txt That actually has received more discussion back in 2010... (I think you want to point to -03.) An earlier version of that draft received even more

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
you, Hosnieh -Original Message- From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:18 PM To: Michael Richardson; Karl Auer Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hi, - Original Message - From: Michael

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Bob Hinden
Carsten, On Mar 5, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: On Mar 5, 2013, at 01:02, Bob Hinden bob.hin...@gmail.com wrote: 6LoWPAN Backbone Router draft-thubert-6lowpan-backbone-router-02.txt That actually has received more discussion back in 2010... (I think you want to point

RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
-Original Message- From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hin...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:43 PM To: Hosnieh Rafiee Cc: Bob Hinden; 'Ole Troan'; ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hosneih, It was a mix of things the chairs thought where important and prior history

Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86

2013-03-05 Thread Bob Hinden
[mailto:bob.hin...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:43 PM To: Hosnieh Rafiee Cc: Bob Hinden; 'Ole Troan'; ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hosneih, It was a mix of things the chairs thought where important and prior history of the work. We also, of course, have