Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-23 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
At Thu, 17 May 2007 09:28:10 -0400, Brian Haberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While it would be useful to update 3542, I don't think it is necessary. It is out-of-date given that it says the Type 0 routing header is the only one defined (it isn't). However, I don't see the benefit of revising

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-23 Thread Brian Haberman
JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉 wrote: At Thu, 17 May 2007 09:28:10 -0400, Brian Haberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While it would be useful to update 3542, I don't think it is necessary. It is out-of-date given that it says the Type 0 routing header is the only one defined (it isn't). However, I

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-21 Thread Jari Arkko
Itojun, I think deprecation of RH0 along with BCP 38/84 ingress filtering on the edge would be effective in limiting attacks to internal networks. you know what, too much ingress filtering without rthdr2 support (MIP6 home address option) would kill MIP6 at once. MIP6

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-21 Thread Jari Arkko
Pekka, Dunno about that, but I guess an Updates: 4294 (IPv6 Node Requirements) would be in order. Yes, that would be good. Jari IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests:

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-17 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2007-05-17 03:29, Joe Abley wrote: On 16-May-2007, at 18:54, Dow Street wrote: It may not be the mechanism itself that is the inherent problem, but rather the operational use model. In this case, disabling by default and filtering when RH0 is turned on allows for careful investigation

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-17 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Vlad Yasevich wrote: As part of the deprecation effort, does it also make sense to update RFC 3542 (Advanced API) to remove the references to Type 0 routing header? Dunno about that, but I guess an Updates: 4294 (IPv6 Node Requirements) would be in order. -- Pekka

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-17 Thread Vlad Yasevich
Brian Haberman wrote: While it would be useful to update 3542, I don't think it is necessary. It is out-of-date given that it says the Type 0 routing header is the only one defined (it isn't). However, I don't see the benefit of revising that spec *just* for this. Perhaps we should simply

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 16-May-2007, at 22:11, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 17-mei-2007, at 3:29, Joe Abley wrote: There is an argument that the right approach to facilitate source routing experiments is to deprecate RH0, and define a new type of routing header which is, from the outset, disabled by

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-17 Thread Tim Enos
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 03:54:48PM -0700, Dow Street wrote: I think the new draft is too extreme in its mitigation approach, and would favor the disable by default option instead. I think the new draft is too soft in it's mitigation approach, and would favour language that more strongly

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-17 Thread Vlad Yasevich
Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino 2.0 wrote: As part of the deprecation effort, does it also make sense to update RFC 3542 (Advanced API) to remove the references to Type 0 routing header? we may want to remove references to rthdr0, but section 7 (Routing Header) may be useful for rthdr7

Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-17 Thread Tim Enos
Hi Ryan, Good point about including the whole sentence; mea culpa! :^\ On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 05:09:34PM -0500, Tim Enos wrote: In section 4.2, IMO it would seem good to see a brief justification of the statement: filtering based on the presence of any Routing Headers on IPv6 routers,

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-17 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le jeudi 17 mai 2007, Vlad Yasevich a écrit : As part of the deprecation effort, does it also make sense to update RFC 3542 (Advanced API) to remove the references to Type 0 routing header? And then: 1/ Are inet6_rth_space() and inet6_rth_init() supposed to fail with type 0? 2/ What is

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-17 Thread Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino 2.0
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 03:54:48PM -0700, Dow Street wrote: I think the new draft is too extreme in its mitigation approach, and would favor the disable by default option instead. I think the new draft is too soft in it's mitigation approach, and would favour language that more strongly

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-17 Thread Brian Haberman
Dow, Dow Street wrote: I think the new draft is too extreme in its mitigation approach, and would favor the disable by default option instead. Underlying this debate seems to be the question of whether *any* form of source routing is ok / worthwhile. I'm curious how much of the RH0 FUD is

I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-16 Thread Internet-Drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Version 6 Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : Deprecation of Type 0 Routing Headers in IPv6 Author(s) : J. Abley, et al.

Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-16 Thread Bob Hinden
Not sure why this hasn't gotten to the list yet, but here it is again. Bob Begin forwarded message: From: ext [EMAIL PROTECTED] i-d-announce- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: May 16, 2007 12:50:02 PM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-16 Thread Vlad Yasevich
As part of the deprecation effort, does it also make sense to update RFC 3542 (Advanced API) to remove the references to Type 0 routing header? Thanks -vlad IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-16 Thread Dow Street
PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Version 6 Working Group Working Group of the IETF

Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-16 Thread Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino 2.0
Not sure why this hasn't gotten to the list yet, but here it is again. Title : Deprecation of Type 0 Routing Headers in IPv6 Author(s) : J. Abley, et al. Filename: draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt Pages : 7 Date:

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-16 Thread Paul Vixie
There is an argument that the right approach to facilitate source routing experiments is to deprecate RH0, and define a new type of routing header which is, from the outset, disabled by default. yes please. IETF IPv6

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-16 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 17-mei-2007, at 3:29, Joe Abley wrote: There is an argument that the right approach to facilitate source routing experiments is to deprecate RH0, and define a new type of routing header which is, from the outset, disabled by default. Please present this argument; it's not self-evident.

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-16 Thread Ryan McBride
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 03:54:48PM -0700, Dow Street wrote: I think the new draft is too extreme in its mitigation approach, and would favor the disable by default option instead. I think the new draft is too soft in it's mitigation approach, and would favour language that more strongly

Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-rh0-00.txt

2007-05-16 Thread Ryan McBride
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 05:09:34PM -0500, Tim Enos wrote: In section 4.2, IMO it would seem good to see a brief justification of the statement: filtering based on the presence of any Routing Headers on IPv6 routers, regardless of type, is strongly discouraged. In this sentence, is