Re: ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links?

2010-07-20 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:26:22 -0400 you wrote: >For a p2p link, I think we all agree that Address Resolution is not >necessary. But what about the other parts? I think that is where it goes wrong. Yes, it is true that on a p2p link you don't need the neighbors MAC address because

Re: ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links?

2010-07-20 Thread Thomas Narten
Some thoughts on this thread... One problem with the statement/question: are p2p links required to use Neighbor Discovery, is defining exactly what ND is. ND is actually a suite of protocols, including: - Router discovery - address resolution - Neighbor Unreachabilty Detection (NUD) - etc. F

Re: ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links?

2010-07-19 Thread Mark Smith
esolving these issues. Regards, Mark. > > Pascal > > > -Original Message- > > From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of > > Mark Smith > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:03 AM > > To: sth...@nethelp.no > > Cc: ipv6@ie

RE: ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links?

2010-07-15 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
? Pascal > -Original Message- > From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Mark Smith > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:03 AM > To: sth...@nethelp.no > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org; dtha...@microsoft.com > Subject: Re: ND NS/NA support required on

Re: ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links?

2010-07-14 Thread Mark Smith
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:25:54 +0200 (CEST) sth...@nethelp.no wrote: > > >However, it would seem that several of the major vendors (e.g. Cisco, > > >Juniper) have interpreted this differently, and chosen not to perform > > >ND on point-to-point links. > > > > Do you mean perform, as in issue the NS

Re: ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links?

2010-07-14 Thread sthaug
> >However, it would seem that several of the major vendors (e.g. Cisco, > >Juniper) have interpreted this differently, and chosen not to perform > >ND on point-to-point links. > > Do you mean perform, as in issue the NS request or also in not responding > to a NS request from the peer? I have no

Re: ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links?

2010-07-14 Thread Mark Smith
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:16:24 +0200 (CEST) sth...@nethelp.no wrote: > > For point-to-point links, which can do multicast trivially, there is no > > excuse > > for not doing full ND (unless it is a link between two routers that actually > > use hellos in the routing protocol to determine whether th

Re: ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links?

2010-07-14 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:16:24 +0200 (CEST) you wrote: >> For point-to-point links, which can do multicast trivially, there is no excu >se >> for not doing full ND (unless it is a link between two routers that actually >> use hellos in the routing protocol to determine whether the o

Re: ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links?

2010-07-14 Thread sthaug
> For point-to-point links, which can do multicast trivially, there is no excuse > for not doing full ND (unless it is a link between two routers that actually > use hellos in the routing protocol to determine whether the other side is > alive). However, it would seem that several of the major ven

Re: ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links?

2010-07-14 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:26:47 +0930 you wrote: >I'm a bit confused by that. My understanding of NUD was that it's main >function is to ensure that existing entries in the neighbor cache are >valid. If NUD fails, then the entry is removed from the neighbor cache >so that next time t

Re: ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links?

2010-07-14 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:26:47 +0930 you wrote: >(Is something up with the 6man mailing list? I've had a few replies, >including one from Philip, none of them have CC'd ipv6@ietf.org, nor >have I seen any replies via the list, and yet below seems show that a >copy of Philip's email

Re: ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links?

2010-07-14 Thread Mark Smith
v6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > > Philip Homburg > > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:02 AM > > To: Mark Smith > > Subject: Re: ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links? > > > > In your letter dated Sun, 11 Jul 2010 12:03:43

Re: ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links?

2010-07-13 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Sun, 11 Jul 2010 12:03:43 +0930 you wrote: >These implementations, instead of performing ND NS/NA, "blindly" forward >IPv6 packets onto directly onto the point-to-point link, regardless of >whether the destination address exists. If both ends of the link don't >perform ND NS/NA

ND NS/NA support required on point-to-point links?

2010-07-10 Thread Mark Smith
Hi, I've come across a number of implementations of IPv6 on point-to-point links which aren't performing ND NS/NA transactions. My interpretation of the Neighbor Discovery RFC, and, as an example of a link layer RFC, the IPv6 over PPP RFC, is that they should. I'm looking for some clarification to