RE: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-26 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
To: Hemant Singh (shemant) Cc: Brian E Carpenter; Fred Baker (fred); ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08 At Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:16:29 -0400, Hemant Singh (shemant) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, it is not clear which

RE: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-26 Thread Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino
Tatuya, OK, it's alright to say an accident, but this accident caused the security problem because we still think if Host1 is receiving traffic that was meant to go to Host2, it's a security problem. You also described the other security problem case where you said, Host1 is not

Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-26 Thread Markku Savela
Related to this topic, long time ago when the choices of a) DAD only on link local, and not on other addresses derived from the same id (legal on original RFC) b) do DAD indivially on each address were discussed, I preferred (a) (and still do), and proposed an additional logic on hosts using

Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-26 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
At Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:10:19 -0400, Hemant Singh (shemant) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's focus on the problems at hand and solutions - forget delay of 2462bis I-D or what have you. Why are we referring to text in 2462bis as an admittance that accident cases can exist when we have a solution

RE: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-26 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
discussed. - Hemant and Wes -Original Message- From: JINMEI Tatuya / [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:42 AM To: Hemant Singh (shemant) Cc: Brian E Carpenter; Fred Baker (fred); ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent

Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-25 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2007-06-22 18:25, Fred Baker wrote: On Jun 22, 2007, at 7:38 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: What is out there as running code is history and words in RFCs will not change it. I think his point is that a new IPv6 implementation has just been released into the market and is not operating

Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-25 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
At Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:25:13 -0700, Fred Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think his point is that a new IPv6 implementation has just been released into the market and is not operating very well. Forget the compliance language; what he's saying is that the various IPv6 implementations

Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-25 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
At Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:05:36 -0400, Hemant Singh (shemant) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the quick review of section 5 in our new I-D. Your reading of section 5 is correct - we have proposed both new and old implementations to always perform DAD for any unicast address. You are also

RE: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-25 Thread Hemant Singh \(shemant\)
@ietf.org; JINMEI Tatuya / Subject: Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08 On 2007-06-22 18:25, Fred Baker wrote: On Jun 22, 2007, at 7:38 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: What is out there as running code is history and words in RFCs

RE: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-25 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08 At Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:45:35 -0400, Hemant Singh (shemant) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us summarize the discussion that has taken place so far and issues closed. 1. Technical content - Brian has agreed below that the problem we describe

Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-25 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
At Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:16:29 -0400, Hemant Singh (shemant) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, it is not clear which security problem this bullet tries to indicate. hs The problem we refer to is the fact that Host1 and Host2 have the same GUA on the same link! This is an obvious problem

RE: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-22 Thread Hemant Singh \(shemant\)
@ietf.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wes Beebee (wbeebee); Ralph Droms (rdroms) Subject: Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08 At Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:31:58 -0400, Hemant Singh (shemant) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please see section 5 of our I-D

Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wes Beebee (wbeebee); Ralph Droms (rdroms) Subject: Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08 At Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:31:58 -0400, Hemant Singh (shemant) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please see section 5 of our I-D for a proposed

RE: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-22 Thread Hemant Singh \(shemant\)
. Hemant -Original Message- From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:09 AM To: Hemant Singh (shemant) Cc: JINMEI Tatuya / ; ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08 Hemant

Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Beebee (wbeebee); Ralph Droms (rdroms) Subject: Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08 At Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:31:58 -0400, Hemant Singh (shemant) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please see section 5 of our I-D for a proposed change to 2462bis-08 - we

Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-22 Thread Fred Baker
On Jun 22, 2007, at 7:38 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: What is out there as running code is history and words in RFCs will not change it. I think his point is that a new IPv6 implementation has just been released into the market and is not operating very well. Forget the compliance

Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-21 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le jeudi 21 juin 2007, Hemant Singh (shemant) a écrit : Please see section 5 of our I-D for a proposed change to 2462bis-08 - we hear this I-D is in Editor's queue and any changes to it must be given ASAP. Could you please use US-ASCII rather than UTF-16 for you I-D, as is customary here?

RE: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-21 Thread Hemant Singh \(shemant\)
Will do, thanks for this tip. I will send out another copy soon. Hemant -Original Message- From: Rémi Denis-Courmont [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:36 PM To: Hemant Singh (shemant) Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00

Re: draft-wbeebee-nd-implementation-pitfalls-00 with urgent changes suggested to 2462bis-08

2007-06-21 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
At Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:31:58 -0400, Hemant Singh (shemant) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please see section 5 of our I-D for a proposed change to 2462bis-08 - we hear this I-D is in Editor's queue and any changes to it must be given ASAP. (with the document editor hat of 2462bis on) From a quick