Re: Microsoft: Give Xbox One users IPv6 connectivity

2013-10-10 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2013-10-10 00:02, Christopher Palmer wrote: John and Lorenzo beat me to it J. Example: Samantha has native IPv6 and Teredo. Albert has Teredo only. But what do you do with the more and more common case[1] where one gets native IPv6 and IPv4-over-DSlite; especially considering

Re: Microsoft: Give Xbox One users IPv6 connectivity

2013-10-10 Thread Seth Mos
On 10-10-2013 14:01, Brzozowski, John Jason wrote: Chris can you share details of the brokenness check? What variables are considered? Perhaps native IPv6 on the client with firewall rules that do not permit inbound traffic. A legit issue that can be expected to pop up. Also, is there any

Windows IPv6 connectivity check

2013-10-10 Thread Daniel Roesen
Hi, when using OpenVPN dualstack tunnels, I notice that Windows doesn't realize that it has working IPv6 connectivity for a long time so it won't use the newly established IPv6 connectivity until re-checking. Is there any way to manually trigger Windows to re-check IPv6 connectivity? Best

Re: Microsoft: Give Xbox One users IPv6 connectivity

2013-10-10 Thread Jared Mauch
On Oct 9, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Geoff Huston g...@apnic.net wrote: I applaud what you guys are doing, really, but from my perspective it looks like the reliance on Teredo is really quite scary given what we see out there about how it behaves, and I'm kinda wondering what I'm missing here that

Re: Microsoft: Give Xbox One users IPv6 connectivity

2013-10-10 Thread Mark Townsley
On Oct 10, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Geoff Huston wrote: I have not gathered data on Teredo-to-Teredo reliability. The connection failure numbers quoted above make use of a Teredo Relay. But this teredo-to-teredo connection failure rate in the Internet appears to be a critical assumption here

Re: Microsoft: Give Xbox One users IPv6 connectivity

2013-10-10 Thread Dan York
FYI, after I put up a blog post[1] about this topic this morning, there are some interesting conversations happening on Hacker News and Reddit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6526943 http://www.reddit.com/r/ipv6/comments/1o4zuk/microsoft_the_best_xbox_one_ga ming_experience/ In my post,

Re: Microsoft: Give Xbox One users IPv6 connectivity

2013-10-10 Thread Tore Anderson
* Mark Townsley On Oct 10, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Geoff Huston wrote: I have not gathered data on Teredo-to-Teredo reliability. The connection failure numbers quoted above make use of a Teredo Relay. But this teredo-to-teredo connection failure rate in the Internet appears to be a critical

Re: Microsoft: Give Xbox One users IPv6 connectivity

2013-10-10 Thread Jared Mauch
On Oct 10, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Geoff Huston g...@apnic.net wrote: My concern about Teredo's robustness however still remains. We've been polling users with IPv6 tests embedded in a Google Ad campaign for some years now. We were interested in teredo, so we thought that if one of the

Re: Microsoft: Give Xbox One users IPv6 connectivity

2013-10-10 Thread Geoff Huston
On 11/10/2013, at 2:02 AM, Mark Townsley m...@townsley.net wrote: On Oct 10, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Geoff Huston wrote: I have not gathered data on Teredo-to-Teredo reliability. The connection failure numbers quoted above make use of a Teredo Relay. But this teredo-to-teredo connection

RE: Microsoft: Give Xbox One users IPv6 connectivity

2013-10-10 Thread Christopher Palmer
On the native side, it's important to note that the traffic is IPsec protected, so the protocol and port information may be obfuscated and is in general is not predictable. IKEv2 traffic is predictable, but we won't be using UPnP on the IPv6 side to enable in-bound IKEv2. Hopefully people

Issue with ibgp and IPv6

2013-10-10 Thread Jonty Hewlett
Hi all, I wonder if you could point me towards the right direction here... 2 Debian boxes running Quagga, connected to 2 different transit providers, both receiving a full v4 tables and working fine. iBGP fine etc. I've started to add v6 to our transits (sorry, a little behind!). I have (so

RE: Microsoft: Give Xbox One users IPv6 connectivity

2013-10-10 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013, Christopher Palmer wrote: The thing about protocols like UPnP - the vendors who would ignore an IETF recommendation are likely to be the same vendors to skip out on making an adequate UPnP stack. Most people today do NOT have home routers that support UPnP. Do you have