[The Java Posse] Re: Java Posse #224 (On a lack of JDK 7)

2009-01-09 Thread Viktor Klang
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 12:55 AM, phil.swen...@gmail.com < phil.swen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > great thoughts Casper. If the language itself is extensible (or at > least "appears to be extensible") without changing the runtime, that's > very very powerful You mean, like a SCAlable LAnguage? >

[The Java Posse] Re: Writing my own language on the JVM

2009-01-09 Thread James Iry
I'm not aware of any better books than TAPL for covering what it covers. But it's a pretty deep dive into type systems, not something I would recommend for somebody who just wants to get his feet wet in building languages. I haven't read EoPL, but since I'm quite fond of Scheme I don't think I w

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Posse #224 (On a lack of JDK 7)

2009-01-09 Thread phil.swen...@gmail.com
BTW, I think I went OT. Sorry before I am scolded. On Jan 9, 4:55 pm, "phil.swen...@gmail.com" wrote: > great thoughts Casper.  If the language itself is extensible (or at > least "appears to be extensible") without changing the runtime, that's > very very powerful > > I personally like writing

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Posse #224 (On a lack of JDK 7)

2009-01-09 Thread phil.swen...@gmail.com
great thoughts Casper. If the language itself is extensible (or at least "appears to be extensible") without changing the runtime, that's very very powerful I personally like writing code that solves business problems instead of choosing/building frameworks, wiring complex class hierarchies toge

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Posse #224 (On a lack of JDK 7)

2009-01-09 Thread JodaStephen
Phil, Sun and the JCP aren't directly interested in new ideas to change the Java language. Fundamentally they already know all the ideas. It can be worthwhile writing them up semi-formally (if you look at my specs they are not monster) and changing the compiler to match. See the Kijaro project if

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Posse #224 (On a lack of JDK 7)

2009-01-09 Thread Casper Bang
Of course, you can never satisfy everyone which is what sparks these debates. They are two distinct community mentalities at heart, the Swizz army knife of .NET complete with manual vs. the tool shed of Java complete with a hammer factory in the corner. I see benefits of both, no doubt the Java co

[The Java Posse] Re: Embedd Flash into JavaFX?

2009-01-09 Thread Stephen Chin
Adam, Glad you found the code in WidgetFX for embedding Flash. It was quite tricky to get everything working (I have a whole Javascript to Java bridge for grabbing events like dragging and relaying them to the dock code). I tried to send a message earlier (twice actually), but think it may h

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Posse #224 (On a lack of JDK 7)

2009-01-09 Thread phil.swen...@gmail.com
When you spend pretty much all your work time coding, adding in features to a language doesn't seem that onerous to me. If you are a casual coder, I could see C# being a bit overwhelming. On Jan 9, 5:35 am, Casper Bang wrote: > On Jan 9, 1:02 pm, John Wright wrote: > > > I second this - keepin

[The Java Posse] Re: Round Up Dedicated Forum?

2009-01-09 Thread Peter A Pilgrim
On 7 Jan, 20:54, "Todd Costella" wrote: > Crested Butte is a great little town and I understand why Bruce lives there > year round. > Hi See intermixed > There are a couple of options for accommodation at the Roundup. There are a > number of small hotel/inns. I know a number of previous at

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Posse #224 (On a lack of JDK 7)

2009-01-09 Thread Casper Bang
On Jan 9, 1:02 pm, John Wright wrote: > I second this - keeping up with the pace of change of C# and .NET 2.0, > 3.0, 3..5 etc is a fulltime job! And in Java its a full time job to keep up with all the libraries and frameworks, largely because the out-of-the-box experience is so lousy and innova

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Posse #224 (On a lack of JDK 7)

2009-01-09 Thread John Wright
I second this - keeping up with the pace of change of C# and .NET 2.0, 3.0, 3..5 etc is a fulltime job! Most corporates are a version or two behind anyway. We have people in our organisation who are having to be dragged from Java 1.4 to 1.5 and 1.6. On Jan 8, 9:12 am, "Adam G." wrote: > Maybe C