[The Java Posse] In defense of The Google

2009-06-30 Thread Michael Neale
In ep 262 (the one where Dick's BS detector when crazy) - I got the impression that Dick was asserting that Google are being evil (for a few reasons, such as ignoring the community, not giving enough back etc) - Joe called it business. I have no affiliation with Google, and its kind of wierd that

[The Java Posse] Re: What would make you switch to a new language?

2009-06-30 Thread Ruben Reusser
In some way Java will be to its next language what C was to Java: > something you can call, but you need to be very careful. If we assume > that the new language runs on a JVM, then you should at least not have > the platform-dependency issues, but in terms of making assertions about > concurrency

[The Java Posse] Re: Google isn't the one missing the point

2009-06-30 Thread Christian Catchpole
Everyone has been dancing around how to hack "richness" into the browser, but Java (or should I say, the JVM) could have become a standard like javascript, 10 years ago, if Sun had done one thing differently. They should have made Java back the "web app" (much like javascript backs a page) rather

[The Java Posse] Re: What would make you switch to a new language?

2009-06-30 Thread Peter Becker
Alan Kent wrote: > My main fear of Java based libraries (say driven from Scala) is you > never know if there are 'static's hiding there somewhere, making it not > thread safe, and making actors not really be isolated as they should. > Scala Actors beefed up a bit to make scaling across machine

[The Java Posse] Re: Google isn't the one missing the point

2009-06-30 Thread Michael Neale
I think flash and silverlight could probably do that as well (I know flash can at least). On Jul 1, 9:51 am, Casper Bang wrote: > Yes, controlling/utilizing the browser history (via the history class) > to conform to the user experience expected by most - when/if deemed > appropriate by the deve

[The Java Posse] Re: Google isn't the one missing the point

2009-06-30 Thread Casper Bang
Yes, controlling/utilizing the browser history (via the history class) to conform to the user experience expected by most - when/if deemed appropriate by the developer. /Casper On 30 Jun., 21:42, Bill Robertson wrote: > "Notice for instance, as you click on a message in > GMail, how you navigat

[The Java Posse] Re: Google isn't the one missing the point

2009-06-30 Thread Bill Robertson
"Notice for instance, as you click on a message in GMail, how you navigate to a unique item under your inbox with the back button working as an undo. Could that be done with Silverlight, Flash and JavaFX? " Are asking about tying the browser back button to the Flash, Silverlight, JavaFX applicati

[The Java Posse] Re: more jigsaw vs osgi vs javaposse

2009-06-30 Thread Stuart McCulloch
2009/7/1 Reinier Zwitserloot > > But, Steve, I just named a rather obvious use case where every module > states their own dependencies, and yet interop is absolutely required: > > The java core libraries! > > Unless we decide to all talk in primitives and Strings to each other, > it would all con

[The Java Posse] Re: HTC Magic/Android G2 phone experiences?

2009-06-30 Thread Casper Bang
to celebrate, it > >> empowers us as users/developers, and creates a very open, flexible > >> platform. > > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Casper Bang   > >> wrote: > > >>> Exactly. Very well demonstrated by what's coming if not officiall

[The Java Posse] Re: more jigsaw vs osgi vs javaposse

2009-06-30 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
But, Steve, I just named a rather obvious use case where every module states their own dependencies, and yet interop is absolutely required: The java core libraries! Unless we decide to all talk in primitives and Strings to each other, it would all considered be a much nicer programming environm

[The Java Posse] Re: HTC Magic/Android G2 phone experiences?

2009-06-30 Thread Joshua Marinacci
ing to celebrate, it >> empowers us as users/developers, and creates a very open, flexible >> platform. >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Casper Bang >> wrote: >> >>> Exactly. Very well demonstrated by what's coming if not officially, >>&

[The Java Posse] Re: HTC Magic/Android G2 phone experiences?

2009-06-30 Thread Casper Bang
ers/developers, and creates a very open, flexible > platform. > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Casper Bang wrote: > > > Exactly. Very well demonstrated by what's coming if not officially, > > then unofficially. I.e. Sense/Rosie UI, Flash support and multitouch > >

[The Java Posse] Re: HTC Magic/Android G2 phone experiences?

2009-06-30 Thread Michael Wolfson
y. I.e. Sense/Rosie UI, Flash support and multitouch > on our Magic's: > http://androidcommunity.com/htc-hero-rom-on-htc-magic-video-20090630/ > > /Casper > > On 30 Jun., 15:22, Michael Wolfson wrote: >> I assume you are aware that you can install apps from places ot

[The Java Posse] Re: more jigsaw vs osgi vs javaposse

2009-06-30 Thread Eric
Dick, Thanks very much for this. I'm glad to see that the discussion is continuing in a more professional tone and is focusing more on technical issues. Apologies again for my over-reaction. Eric On Jun 27, 10:22 am, Dick Wall wrote: > A bit of damage control here, and a personal announceme

[The Java Posse] Re: HTC Magic/Android G2 phone experiences?

2009-06-30 Thread Casper Bang
Exactly. Very well demonstrated by what's coming if not officially, then unofficially. I.e. Sense/Rosie UI, Flash support and multitouch on our Magic's: http://androidcommunity.com/htc-hero-rom-on-htc-magic-video-20090630/ /Casper On 30 Jun., 15:22, Michael Wolfson wrote: > I a

[The Java Posse] Re: more jigsaw vs osgi vs javaposse

2009-06-30 Thread Eric
I took this down. Apologies for the over- reaction. Eric On Jun 26, 5:24 pm, "phil.swen...@gmail.com" wrote: > http://modualrit.blogspot.com/2009/06/jigsaw-posse.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[The Java Posse] Re: HTC Magic/Android G2 phone experiences?

2009-06-30 Thread Michael Wolfson
I assume you are aware that you can install apps from places other that the marketplace. Meaning, you can get the apk file (from anywhere), then install it from the sdcard. Bottom line, bummer you can't see it in the market, but due to the awesome openness of the platform there are easy ways to

[The Java Posse] Re: What would make you switch to a new language?

2009-06-30 Thread Jeff Grigg
While lower cost, improved productivity, and reducing bug counts don’t seem sufficient to motivate most businesses to change their software development practices significantly, I’m thinking that the shift to multi-core CPUs may force a sufficient crisis within the next few years that something wil

[The Java Posse] Re: What would make you switch to a new language?

2009-06-30 Thread Alan Kent
The nice bits of Erlang (zero shared memory concurrency, easy distribution, fault tollerance, ability to update code base while system still running and live, and concurrency, immutable types), but with a more mainline syntax/style and including Unicode support. Also easy integration with oth

[The Java Posse] Re: Netbeans 6.7 Officially Released

2009-06-30 Thread Adam G.
No JavaFX really is a bummer! I am currently mostly working with NetBeans because of JavaFX, so I am a little bit disappointed... Can you better specify what "soon" means? One week, one month, half a year? Cheers, Adam On Jun 29, 5:59 pm, Joshua Marinacci wrote: > Note that JavaFX is current

[The Java Posse] Re: What would make you switch to a new language?

2009-06-30 Thread Peter Becker
Ben Schulz wrote: >> (...) while I personally believe the collections API is a pile >> of dung from a conceptual point of view, it is an existing standard with >> decent implementations. (...) >> > > I agree, but the collections library I would like to have would > comprise so many interfaces

[The Java Posse] Re: more jigsaw vs osgi vs javaposse

2009-06-30 Thread Steve
On Jun 30, 5:58 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > > 1) The serious issue with the same library at different versions in > use by 2 separate modules is the lack of interoperability. Let's say, > for arguments sake, that the collections API was versioned, and module > A is using v1, while module B i

[The Java Posse] Re: HTC Magic/Android G2 phone experiences?

2009-06-30 Thread kibitzer
crap. (sigh). OK much thanks guys. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

[The Java Posse] Re: HTC Magic/Android G2 phone experiences?

2009-06-30 Thread Mark Derricutt
I can see it via the marketplace here in new zealand. On Jun 30, 2009 6:28 PM, "kibitzer" wrote: Folks, a minor request if you have time. I have the HTC Magic here in Australia and I'm trying to install a particular app from the Market. I cannot see it from my phone, but I CAN see it on Cyrket

[The Java Posse] Re: there once was a language called scala

2009-06-30 Thread Mwanji Ezana
On Jun 30, 1:41 am, DAemon wrote: > Clearly I've been spending too much time writing code, because (_ + _) just > looks filthy to me. Then it's a good thing I refrained from posting the entire line of code, found here: http://rickyclarkson.blogspot.com/2008/01/in-defence-of-0l-in-scala.html M

[The Java Posse] Re: Netbeans 6.7 Officially Released

2009-06-30 Thread IngoF
Hmm, "JavaFX" and "coming soon" seem to go together really well ;) On Jun 29, 5:59 pm, Joshua Marinacci wrote: > Note that JavaFX is currently supported in 6.5.1, not 6.7, but is   > coming soon. > > http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2009-06/sunflash.20090629.1.xml --~--~-~--~~--

[The Java Posse] Re: HTC Magic/Android G2 phone experiences?

2009-06-30 Thread warwickhunter
I can search for and find "Key Ring Barcode Scanner" by Froogloid, LLC from my Australian HTC Magic. Warwick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email

[The Java Posse] Re: more jigsaw vs osgi vs javaposse

2009-06-30 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Some questions about using the same library more than once at different versions, for both folks knowledgable at OSGi, and anybody who knows how this is going to work in JavaFX: 1) The serious issue with the same library at different versions in use by 2 separate modules is the lack of interopera