[The Java Posse] Re: No commercial motivation to make Java 'better'

2009-09-28 Thread Alex Buckley
On Sep 28, 7:39 pm, Richard Vowles wrote: > This entire interview was a cop-out by Alex and Joe. Their argument > boiled down to "look, Sun open sourced Java and now we don't have to > do anything". In no way did Joe or I state or imply that Sun has "open sourced Java". Sun has open sourced the

[The Java Posse] Re: Whatever happened to a javaposse in Sydney

2009-09-28 Thread Michael Neale
Yes, with Atlassian and Google in sydney, would be some interest, surely. They are often sponsoring things here, and I can't drink the beer all by myself (but by gosh I am trying). On Sep 29, 3:49 pm, AaronW wrote: > I second that request! maybe sponsored by the unoffical > javaposse

[The Java Posse] Re: Whatever happened to a javaposse in Sydney

2009-09-28 Thread AaronW
I second that request! maybe sponsored by the unoffical javaposse sponsors who just happend to be based in Sydney hint hint (atlassian) On Sep 29, 10:29 am, Michael Neale wrote: > and my "javaposse" I mean "javaposse roundup" ! > > On Sep 29, 10:28 am, Michael Neale wrote: > > >

[The Java Posse] Re: No commercial motivation to make Java 'better'

2009-09-28 Thread Richard Vowles
This entire interview was a cop-out by Alex and Joe. Their argument boiled down to "look, Sun open sourced Java and now we don't have to do anything". Oracle just bought a turkey if this attitude is pervasive at Sun. On Sep 25, 12:17 am, Robert Lally wrote: > After all the discussions about Coin

[The Java Posse] Re: Whatever happened to a javaposse in Sydney

2009-09-28 Thread Michael Neale
and my "javaposse" I mean "javaposse roundup" ! On Sep 29, 10:28 am, Michael Neale wrote: > (or Melbourne, or NZ) etc.. > > was some talk of it a while back... > > I am sure at least *some* of the posse members would be willing to > make the trek. > > Note: from SFO to Sydney is 14 hours or less

[The Java Posse] Whatever happened to a javaposse in Sydney

2009-09-28 Thread Michael Neale
(or Melbourne, or NZ) etc.. was some talk of it a while back... I am sure at least *some* of the posse members would be willing to make the trek. Note: from SFO to Sydney is 14 hours or less (was just under 12 hours flight back for me last June) with NO stopovers, direct, non stop. (in AU/NZ te

[The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks

2009-09-28 Thread Michael Neale
POSWSAXHTML Plain Old Scala With Servlets And (literal) XHTML (and throw in some jquery on the client). Worked a charm, no extra dependencies (other then scala). Nice and minimalist. On Sep 26, 5:25 am, CKoerner wrote: > I'm curious on what people feel are the top 3 Java based web > framework

[The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks

2009-09-28 Thread Michael Neale
On top of that answers to pretty much anything rails and ruby related are just a google (or a bing !) away - due to the prolofic nature of the enthusiasts that use it and just have to blog about every little detail -seemed irritating at the time, but the by the power of greyskull, and the communit

[The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks

2009-09-28 Thread Marcelo Fukushima
not sure about component market, but wicket does a pretty good job at packaging reusable components - even entire pages On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Ruben Reusser wrote: > how so? Last time I checked it was pretty hard to make a GWT app look good > (unless you go with GWTEXT and that one use

[The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks

2009-09-28 Thread Ruben Reusser
how so? Last time I checked it was pretty hard to make a GWT app look good (unless you go with GWTEXT and that one uses transitional html, not strict) - is it easy to say build a larger app (for example a community site) with GWT? Are the components available and do they work together? Ruben On M

[The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks

2009-09-28 Thread Alexey Zinger
I'd say GWT does that pretty well. Alexey 2001 Honda CBR600F4i (CCS) 2002 Suzuki Bandit 1200S 1992 Kawasaki EX500 http://azinger.blogspot.com http://bsheet.sourceforge.net http://wcollage.sourceforge.net From: Ruben Reusser To: javaposse@googlegroups.com Sen

[The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks

2009-09-28 Thread Ruben Reusser
I'd really love to see a java web framework that promotes writing reusable components for the web, makes it easy to merge those components into an application and comes with a component marketplace. Has anybody seen a framework that's good at doing this? (and it would be great if everything looks a

[The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks

2009-09-28 Thread WENDELL L HATCHER
Has anyone looked at scala and lift? And, these are scripting languages within java frameworks. Wouldn`t Velocity vm templates fit into this with servlets? or struts2 spring if they haven't been discussed already? > Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:16:13 -0700 > Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: The Top

[The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks

2009-09-28 Thread phil swenson
ya, depends on what you are doing. If java language integration is the most important thing to you, groovy beats ruby presently. else Ruby On Sep 27, 8:31 pm, Raphael M wrote: > Grails and Wicket for me. > > Everything that Phil said about groovy is right. But the Grails being > a copy of Rail

[The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks

2009-09-28 Thread N4Spd
I second Casper's suggestions and comments too. On Sep 26, 3:36 am, Casper Bang wrote: > Wicket (for wide-spectred Internet solutions) or GWT (for targeted > intranet or high-interactivity solutions) for me. The only ones that > deliver rather than being some ivory tower experiment. > > /Casper

[The Java Posse] Re: CodeMash '10

2009-09-28 Thread Alex Miller
CodeMash is a great conference. I spoke there this year and enjoyed the trip (other than the biting cold and the speeding ticket :). As far as where else to hear cross-technology talks, I would also recommend Strange Loop in St. Louis Oct 22-23rd which covers a broad range of technologies. http

[The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks

2009-09-28 Thread Aidan Gordon
I'd have to say Wicket is my favourite as well. I love the component based approach with minimal xml. Keeping everything in java is much easier to test and debug. Aidan On Sep 25, 1:20 pm, gwak wrote: > From my experience: > Spring MVC, Struts, JSF. > A call out to Wicket which is my favorit

[The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks

2009-09-28 Thread Raphael M
Grails and Wicket for me. Everything that Phil said about groovy is right. But the Grails being a copy of Rails is a great underestimation of Grails. It is a copy in the sense that most features are copied, specially developer ergonomics coming first together with convention over configuration, s

[The Java Posse] Manning book reductions

2009-09-28 Thread Jan Goyvaerts
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[The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks

2009-09-28 Thread Dominic Mitchell
2009/9/28 Alex Turner > Forgive my ignorance, but isn't this only an issue if you treat jsp like > php? If you are using a framework like stripes, you can sanitize the input > in the controller either with an interceptor or by putting sanitization > logic in the set method in the action bean. T