Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Closures, too much or too little?

2009-11-30 Thread Paul King
I am still struggling with the lambdaj syntax. Here is a Groovy closure example: def x = 10 def incByX = { arg -> arg + x } assert incByX(4) == 14 x = 20 assert incByX(5) == 25 What is the equivalent lambdaj? Thanks, Paul. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google G

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Closures, too much or too little?

2009-11-30 Thread Josh McDonald
Yes I agree that your example appears to do the exact same thing, and I'm definitely willing to take your word for it. The point of the discussion isn't about using the existing ability to close over instance variables inside methods, but about adding syntax to close over method variables inside in

[The Java Posse] Netbeans JAX-RS code generation - can improvements be made?

2009-11-30 Thread Rob Wilson
Hi guys, I've been playing with the JAX-RS plugins within Netbeans 6.8 beta, I've been looking at how the code works and feel that some improvements could be made. I'd be happy to hear what you think, especially when it comes to the architecture. http://spikyorange.blogspot.com/2009/11/jax-rs-an

[The Java Posse] Re: TSS Article: Hard times for JavaFX ?

2009-11-30 Thread Simon Brocklehurst
On Nov 30, 7:06 pm, Mohamed Bana wrote: > If no one has a good solution, what would you say is the best? In general, to be a good solution, you'd need the following: 1.A robust, frictionless deployment mechanism. That is: the user visits a web page; the app runs instantly. No installing anyth

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: TSS Article: Hard times for JavaFX ?

2009-11-30 Thread Mark Volkmann
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:31 PM, opinali wrote: > Unfortunately, JavaScript (plus its DOM interface with the outside > world) is a pretty poor choice for such UVM role. Yeah, everybody complains about the DOM. I'm not suggesting coding to that though. You really have to experience a library like

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: TSS Article: Hard times for JavaFX ?

2009-11-30 Thread Mohamed Bana
comments inline. —Mohamed On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Simon Brocklehurst wrote: > > On Nov 30, 1:43 pm, Mark Volkmann wrote: > > > I used to think that until recently. > > Sorry, I don't think I was clear in my meaning. I think JavaScript- > based approaches to developing web apps running

[The Java Posse] Re: TSS Article: Hard times for JavaFX ?

2009-11-30 Thread opinali
Sorry fro the broken post (ironically, something that NEVER happened to me with a real mail client - I'm using Google Groups' web client...) If Java applets/JAWS (with or without JavaFX) fail, I'm afraid that the winner will be either Flash or Silverlight, not the W3C-backed web. It's probably rig

[The Java Posse] Re: Hat colours

2009-11-30 Thread carl
I think they were chosen at random. Joe probably grabbed the grey one because it was the least geeky. I think they turned out to be pretty good matches in the end. On Nov 30, 3:57 am, Rick wrote: > I didn't realise that Dick has a "Red Hat".  That's pretty funny. :D > > Do the other hat colours

[The Java Posse] Re: TSS Article: Hard times for JavaFX ?

2009-11-30 Thread opinali
Unfortunately, JavaScript (plus its DOM interface with the outside world) is a pretty poor choice for such UVM role. First, with its dynamic typing, prototype-based structure, it's one of the hardest languages to optimize and even next-gen JITs like V8/TM/ Nitro will not compete with Java (even wi

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: TSS Article: Hard times for JavaFX ?

2009-11-30 Thread Mark Volkmann
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Simon Brocklehurst wrote: > > On Nov 30, 1:43 pm, Mark Volkmann wrote: > >> I used to think that until recently. > > Sorry, I don't think I was clear in my meaning. I think JavaScript- > based approaches to developing web apps running in the browser (like > JQuery

[The Java Posse] Re: TSS Article: Hard times for JavaFX ?

2009-11-30 Thread Casper Bang
Yeah true, but JavaScript is so powerful that you get the illusion it's another language. I'd add "jQuery in Action" and "RESTful Web Services" to you book recommendation - it makes programming web stuff in Java fun again. /Casper On Nov 30, 2:50 pm, Mark Volkmann wrote: > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 a

[The Java Posse] Re: TSS Article: Hard times for JavaFX ?

2009-11-30 Thread Simon Brocklehurst
On Nov 30, 1:43 pm, Mark Volkmann wrote: > I used to think that until recently. Sorry, I don't think I was clear in my meaning. I think JavaScript- based approaches to developing web apps running in the browser (like JQuery or GWT) are, in the end, the best available choices for building web ap

[The Java Posse] Re: Closures, too much or too little?

2009-11-30 Thread Mario Fusco
> Erm, that's kinda why I put it in there :-/ Sorry, but I am afraid I am not understanding what you are saying. Do you agree that your example and mine do exactly the same thing or not? Of course just a "no" it is not enough as answer :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed t

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: TSS Article: Hard times for JavaFX ?

2009-11-30 Thread Mark Volkmann
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Casper Bang wrote: > People are no longer programming directly in JavaScript though, but > abstractions on top a la jQuery and GWT which shields the developer > from most of the ugliness. jQuery developers code directly in JavaScript, but don't code directly to th

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: TSS Article: Hard times for JavaFX ?

2009-11-30 Thread Mark Volkmann
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Simon Brocklehurst wrote: > > I think JavaScript is a poor > choice of language for building sophisticated browser-based > applications. I used to think that until recently. Two things changed my opinion. 1) I read "JavaScript - The Good Parts" by Douglas Crockfor

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Closures, too much or too little?

2009-11-30 Thread Josh McDonald
Erm, that's kinda why I put it in there :-/ 2009/11/30 Mario Fusco > > Like Neal said, it's a Turing machine. Everything atop of LISP is sugar. > The > > point is closing over the *binding* not the value. Otherwise it's simply > an > > implied invocation parameter. > > I am quite tired to read t

[The Java Posse] Re: TSS Article: Hard times for JavaFX ?

2009-11-30 Thread Casper Bang
People are no longer programming directly in JavaScript though, but abstractions on top a la jQuery and GWT which shields the developer from most of the ugliness. Google has proven time and again how they perceive JavaScript as nothing less than a universal machine layer opening the door for univer

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: TSS Article: Hard times for JavaFX ?

2009-11-30 Thread Jess Holle
Simon Brocklehurst wrote: > On Nov 30, 1:27 am, Josh McDonald wrote >> 2) Stop with the applet. Seriously. The browser plugin war is over, Adobe >> won. Years ago. And before Java 7 is ready and modularised, Google will have >> gotten V8 and (Canvas||a replacement for Canvas) up to par. It's just

[The Java Posse] Re: TSS Article: Hard times for JavaFX ?

2009-11-30 Thread Simon Brocklehurst
On Nov 30, 1:27 am, Josh McDonald wrote: > 2) Stop with the applet. Seriously. The browser plugin war is over, Adobe > won. Years ago. And before Java 7 is ready and modularised, Google will have > gotten V8 and (Canvas||a replacement for Canvas) up to par. It's just more > important to them th

Re: [The Java Posse] Hat colours

2009-11-30 Thread Moandji Ezana
Unrelated to hat colours, but I was kind of bummed we didn't get a singalong at Devoxx. Had been looking forward to that. Moandji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com.

[The Java Posse] Hat colours

2009-11-30 Thread Rick
I didn't realise that Dick has a "Red Hat". That's pretty funny. :D Do the other hat colours have any significance? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscri

[The Java Posse] Re: Closures, too much or too little?

2009-11-30 Thread Casper Bang
Because we are developers, we invent new layers of abstractions every so often and considers this shift in complexity, progress. :) /Casper On Nov 30, 12:16 pm, Mario Fusco wrote: > > Like Neal said, it's a Turing machine. Everything atop of LISP is sugar. The > > point is closing over the *bind

[The Java Posse] Re: Closures, too much or too little?

2009-11-30 Thread Mario Fusco
> Like Neal said, it's a Turing machine. Everything atop of LISP is sugar. The > point is closing over the *binding* not the value. Otherwise it's simply an > implied invocation parameter. I am quite tired to read this nihilistic sentence. If everything that matters is to have a Turing machine why

[The Java Posse] Re: Closures, too much or too little?

2009-11-30 Thread Mario Fusco
> Let me have a crack at it. Here's some Javascript code: > > function showClosure() > { >     var localVar = 7; >     var f = function(x) >         { >             var result = x + localVar; >             localVar = 10; >             return result; >         } >     localVar = 9; >     return f; >

[The Java Posse] Netbeans UML plugin status ?

2009-11-30 Thread Jan Goyvaerts
(please disregard my previous message... pressed by accident on the tab key again...) Hello Java people, Does anybody in here knows what the plans are for the uml plugin of netbeans ? I'm trying to install it on netbeans 6.8 but that's not working. And I've got the impression it's not exactly act

[The Java Posse] Netbeans UML plugin status ?

2009-11-30 Thread Jan Goyvaerts
Hello Java people, Does anybody in here knows what the plans are for the uml plugin of netbea I'm a fervent user of the UML plugin for netbeans. Now that's I've installed Netbeans 6.8 I'm looking to install it. Does -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Closures, too much or too little?

2009-11-30 Thread Viktor Klang
Honestly, that kind of mutable state juggling simply will make multithreading even more horrid. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Alexey Zinger wrote: > Josh, > > Let's not forget that we can do these things in Java now, even without any > kind of closure syntax sugar. If syntax makes it easier,