Re: [The Java Posse] Digest for javaposse@googlegroups.com - 12 Messages in 2 Topics

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Kevin Wright wrote: > Do you think it would be worse if film/music/television/etc. hadn't? > > > Would be a nice change if Hollywood got sued for remaking/copying foreign films. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Ja

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Bye Bye Miss American Java

Welp, if you can't beat 'em... Scala or Java, Smells just like dressed up C. Caught without Smalltalk, This or self it's the same to me. Jar'ed APIs, Got cloud like the sky, you see... I'm just a hacker, I need no sympathy. When I Thread.run(), watch it go, Bandwidth high, permgen low. Mac, Unix

[The Java Posse] Re: Bye Bye Miss American Java

Oh, my, god. Posse, look at her API. It is so big. *scoff* She looks like, one of those rap guys' languages. I like big specs and I can not lie You other brothers can't deny That when a curly walks in with an itty bitty brace And a round bracket in your face So, coders! (Yeah!) Coders! (Yeah!) Ha

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Bye Bye Miss American Java

*groan* =D On 15 September 2010 09:42, Michael Neale wrote: > Rage against the Virtual Machine: > > System.gc(); > > you I won't do what you tell me. > you I won't do what you tell me. > you I won't do what you tell me. > you I won't do what you tell me. > > > >

[The Java Posse] Re: Bye Bye Miss American Java

Rage against the Virtual Machine: System.gc(); you I won't do what you tell me. you I won't do what you tell me. you I won't do what you tell me. you I won't do what you tell me. On Sep 15, 9:12 am, Christian Catchpole wrote: > Immutable, that's what you are >

[The Java Posse] Re: Bye Bye Miss American Java

Immutable, that's what you are Immutable though local or far Like an instance of love that clings to me How the reference of you does things to me Never before has an object been more Immutable in every way And forever more, that's how you'll stay That's why, darling, it's incredible That an objec

[The Java Posse] Re: Bye Bye Miss American Java

If there’s a place it's got to go I’m the interface you need to know I’m the java.util.Map I’m the java.util.Map I’m the java.util.Map If there’s a put() followed by a get() I can look it up if your equals() and hashcode() methods function as required by the specification (i bet) I’m the java.util.

Re: [The Java Posse] Digest for javaposse@googlegroups.com - 12 Messages in 2 Topics

2010/9/14 Cédric Beust ♔ > Not sure what you mean: Apple (and all US software companies) have been > able to do that for a very long time. > > For example, it took me a couple of minutes to find a UI patent filed by > Apple in > 1988

[The Java Posse] Re: Bye Bye Miss American Java

I walked along the API. I never thought I'd meet a language like you; Meet a language like you. With netbeans hair and jbuilder eyes; The kind of IDEs that hypnotize me through; Hypnotize me through. And I ran, I ran my code array. I just ran, I ran it all night and day. I couldn't try catch fina

Re: [The Java Posse] Digest for javaposse@googlegroups.com - 12 Messages in 2 Topics

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Josh Berry wrote: > 2010/9/14 Cédric Beust ♔ > > >> >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> >>> >>> If by "knock-offs" you mean copies at the UI level, let me remind you >>> of the Lotus-vs-Borland suit in the early 1990s where it was judged

Re: [The Java Posse] Digest for javaposse@googlegroups.com - 12 Messages in 2 Topics

Do you think it would be worse if film/music/television/etc. hadn't? http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.03/lessig.html On 14 September 2010 16:12, Josh Berry wrote: > 2010/9/14 Cédric Beust ♔ > > >> >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:12 AM,

Re: [The Java Posse] Digest for javaposse@googlegroups.com - 12 Messages in 2 Topics

2010/9/14 Cédric Beust ♔ > > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > >> >> If by "knock-offs" you mean copies at the UI level, let me remind you >> of the Lotus-vs-Borland suit in the early 1990s where it was judged >> that user interfaces cannot be copyrighted. >> > > And yet

Re: [The Java Posse] Digest for javaposse@googlegroups.com - 12 Messages in 2 Topics

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > If by "knock-offs" you mean copies at the UI level, let me remind you > of the Lotus-vs-Borland suit in the early 1990s where it was judged > that user interfaces cannot be copyrighted. > And yet, Apple sued HTC a few months ago for inf

[The Java Posse] Re: In a perfect world: How android and oracle could have gotten along.

Yup. We have a context-independent graphics toolkit with the unique property that sufficiently simple programs that would (or ought to) look decent on a wide array of devices generally do. The stack certainly makes it easy for you to make that happen. If I was any good at C, I'd make a library fo

Re: [The Java Posse] [scala] Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

On 14 September 2010 11:48, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > > "Java is culturally opposed to these ideas: it is deliberately simple > ." > > Well, so I presume I'm not wrong if I infer that "Scala is > deliberately complex"? :-) Happy to see that,

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: In a perfect world: How android and oracle could have gotten along.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/14/10 09:20 , Moandji Ezana wrote: > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Mark Fortner > wrote: > > I've often thought though that we should have a context-independent > graphics toolkit. > > > While I'm not sure a contex

Re: [The Java Posse] [scala] Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

Fabrizio, I'm not following this thread properly, but I'll just note that Scala is intentionally simple. It has more features than Java, but less pointless complexity. E.g. in Java, arrays and generics are incompatible, generics don't work with primitive types, varargs don't work with generics (

Re: [The Java Posse] [scala] Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

The article obviously uses "complexity" and "simple" in very different ways, they're certainly not portrayed as opposites. In fact, some effort has been made to show that there's more complexity arising from the "deliberately simple" language. It certainly doesn't help that both phrases are overlo

Re: [The Java Posse] [scala] Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/14/10 12:26 , Kevin Wright wrote: > I especially like the way that the fourth paragraph refers to > "the conceptual complexity of using it (java)" followed almost > immediately by "it is deliberately simple" > > I'm not certain how to best interp

[The Java Posse] [scala] Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

I especially like the way that the fourth paragraph refers to "the conceptual complexity of using it (java)" followed almost immediately by "it is deliberately simple" I'm not certain how to best interpret this, but there is an impression here that Java is "deliberately simple" in the same sense

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Bye Bye Miss American Java

White Zombie isn't too far On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Christian Catchpole < christ...@catchpole.net> wrote: > I am the Compile-Time-Creep > A deprecation style > Hello-world american freak > I am the compiling dead > A phantom-reference in a sandbox > Drop-shadow in your head > Say GUID su

[The Java Posse] Re: Bye Bye Miss American Java

I am the Compile-Time-Creep A deprecation style Hello-world american freak I am the compiling dead A phantom-reference in a sandbox Drop-shadow in your head Say GUID suicide Freedom of the cast Read the stack-trace lines Scratch off the broken code Tear into my JAR make me do IT again, yeah Yeah ye

Re: [The Java Posse] Digest for javaposse@googlegroups.com - 12 Messages in 2 Topics

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:11 AM, wrote: > Miroslav Pokorny Sep 14 12:38PM +1000 ^ > > Apple has benefited tremendously from software patents. I don't think the > iPhone or the iPod would be where they are today if American companies had > been allowed to produce knock-offs as soon as v1 was shi

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: In a perfect world: How android and oracle could have gotten along.

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Mark Fortner wrote: > I've often thought though that we should have a context-independent > graphics toolkit. While I'm not sure a context-independent graphics toolkit really makes sense, isn't HTML + CSS + JavaScript the closest we have to a write once, run any

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Bye Bye Miss American Java

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Augusto Sellhorn < augusto.sellh...@gmail.com> wrote: > *sigh* > > {useless fact} > > Did you know that the earliest declaration of the death of Java was in > Jan 9, 1997? > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22java+is+dead%22&hl=en&prmdo=1&sa=X&ei=qImOTPPUIcSblge