Re: [The Java Posse] Stallman bashes Google Chrome (and Cloud Computing in general)

Damn. Up to now I pretty much had a 100% personal batting average when it comes to Stallman. IMO he mostly doesn't have a leg to stand on in ANY of his opinions. He is, in general, a clown. His previous programming work was excellent. His advocacy work has been less than zero. Peter Woit has

[The Java Posse] Interview with Joshua Bloch on the Java Programming Language

http://www.infoq.com/interviews/josh-bloch-java-prog Enjoy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@

[The Java Posse] Re: Stallman bashes Google Chrome (and Cloud Computing in general)

The legality of click-through licenses in the EU is rather shaky. If the EU really does end up taking this seriously (and they might), their current defense of "Hey, the users click-through agree and we do the processing in the US, so, stick it!" - is going to fall down in the blink of an eye*.

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle vs Myriad

Why? Because the Great Seekrit Cabal of Monocle Wearing Lawyer-Kings would forbid it? There are hundreds of thousands of lawyers. One of them will take your case and keep mum about it. Its not frivolous unless someone can prove you're intentionally sabotaging your case. With the vagaries and co

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle vs Myriad

Er, are you familiar with the US law system? It is very much illegal to firesale your own company like that. You have a responsibility to your share holders, and giving away your holdings like that will drop the value of stock for no foreseeable return. Its relatively hard to prove it (some neb

[The Java Posse] Re: Stallman bashes Google Chrome (and Cloud Computing in general)

Stallman claims there is a loop hole: If you marry a pink fluffy unicorn from the cloud, it and it's data, cannot be made to testify against an indicted spouse. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Stallman bashes Google Chrome (and Cloud Computing in general)

On 12/17/2010 08:19 PM, Vince O'Sullivan wrote: On Dec 17, 4:04 pm, Karsten Silz wrote: all users of their services agree to the terms and services. Good point. One reason why my company won't even consider cloud computing at the moment. +1. And, unfortunately, a lot of people - a least in th

[The Java Posse] Re: Stallman bashes Google Chrome (and Cloud Computing in general)

On Dec 17, 4:04 pm, Karsten Silz wrote: > all users of their services agree to the terms > and services. Good point. One reason why my company won't even consider cloud computing at the moment. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle vs Myriad

On 12/17/2010 06:17 PM, Alexey Zinger wrote: I think that kind of legal "test" would be considered a frivolous suit. Probably you're right. Also because, if successful, the test would prevent a huge pile of money from being wasted in future into lawyers' pockets. Lawyers would never kill the go

[The Java Posse] Chrome OS and Java (and flash)

Heard the discussion on Chrome OS and Java in last news cast, here is what I know on this. I was lucky to attend one of the google events last week, where they gave away CR-48 to all attendees and answered questions on Chrome OS. In nutshell, chrome os doesn't support java due to performance and s

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle vs Myriad

I think that kind of legal "test" would be considered a frivolous suit. Alexey From: Fabrizio Giudici To: javaposse@googlegroups.com Cc: Reinier Zwitserloot Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 7:24:00 AM Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle vs Myriad On 12/17/20

[The Java Posse] Re: Stallman bashes Google Chrome (and Cloud Computing in general)

On Dec 17, 4:44 pm, "Vince O'Sullivan" wrote: > On Dec 17, 3:23 pm, Karsten Silz wrote: > > > On Dec 17, 1:56 pm, Fabrizio Giudici > > wrote: > > It's even worse for us Europeans: Google officially maintains that > > European (privacy) laws don't apply to them since the data processing > > happe

[The Java Posse] Re: Stallman bashes Google Chrome (and Cloud Computing in general)

On Dec 17, 3:23 pm, Karsten Silz wrote: > On Dec 17, 1:56 pm, Fabrizio Giudici > wrote: > It's even worse for us Europeans: Google officially maintains that > European (privacy) laws don't apply to them since the data processing > happens in the U.S.  I'm sure other companies feel the same. Exce

[The Java Posse] Re: Tor's new blog

Is this his Abba Fan Blog? On Dec 17, 10:25 am, blake wrote: > Hey I just noticed that Tor has a new blog.  Tor!  You gonna make it > RSSable? > > -blake -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to ja

[The Java Posse] Tor's new blog

Hey I just noticed that Tor has a new blog. Tor! You gonna make it RSSable? -blake -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email t

[The Java Posse] Re: Stallman bashes Google Chrome (and Cloud Computing in general)

On Dec 17, 1:56 pm, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > Apart this fine and constructive statement, there's a valid argument IMHO: > > "In the US, you even lose legal rights if you store your data in a > company's machines instead of your own," Stallman tells /The Guardian/ >

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle vs Myriad

On Dec 17, 1:24 pm, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > This story demonstrated, in case we weren't already > convinced of it, that we mere mortals can't just guess the patent mess. I don't think patent law is going to change anytime soon, at least not in the US and Europe where most patent lawsuits are fi

[The Java Posse] Stallman bashes Google Chrome (and Cloud Computing in general)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/15/stallman_on_chrome_os/ Pretty strong opinions: "I suppose many people will continue moving towards careless computing [the way Stallman calls cloud computing], because there's a sucker born every minute." Apart this fine and constructive statement, the

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle vs Myriad

On 12/17/2010 01:32 PM, Carl Jokl wrote: It seems like a move in which nothing is guaranteed to come out of it except a lot of rich lawyers. I think the organisations who hate the way things are would still rather spend their money in the development labs than in the courtroom Of course, if noth

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle vs Myriad

It seems like a move in which nothing is guaranteed to come out of it except a lot of rich lawyers. I think the organisations who hate the way things are would still rather spend their money in the development labs than in the courtroom. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle vs Myriad

I'm obviously not a lawyer, and I'm in fact from a country that uses the french basis law system, i.e. precedence is a heck of a lot less important, but it always struck me as an easy to game system. You and me want X. You take on devil's advocate position Y (which is the opposite of X), and I su

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle vs Myriad

On 12/17/2010 12:19 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: Ah, I see. Groklaw is a bunch of different authors and are known for occasional bouts of hyperbole. Nevertheless, an interesting twist, to be sure. My guess is that this case is so crazy, even groklaw can't make much sense of the ulterior

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle vs Myriad

I might as regards Sun. Even at the point they accepted they were going out of business and could have just said "We are going out of business anyway why not set Java free before we do." However as the management wanted to try and sell Sun to someone else, without Java it may not have been so attra

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle vs Myriad

Ah, I see. Groklaw is a bunch of different authors and are known for occasional bouts of hyperbole. Nevertheless, an interesting twist, to be sure. My guess is that this case is so crazy, even groklaw can't make much sense of the ulterior agendas of all involved parties. Nevertheless, y

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle vs Myriad

I wonder if this is an appropriate place to put this. I am disappointed that Sun created such a mess as this to begin with. I might speculate relating to the open sourcing of Java that I think that Sun may have originally wanted and intended to fully open source Java including the TCK as was promi

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

On 12/17/2010 06:10 AM, Casper Bang wrote: Can we thus infer, that you are not convinced by Java's deeply rooted philosophy of "write once, run anywhere" ...for UI-kits anyway? Well, not for what I was saying :-) First, because I was talking of Android, which is sure not Java from the UI point

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle vs Myriad

On 12/17/2010 01:05 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: Why is your take that things are going badly for google in this case? Is that based solely on myriad's "counter" suit, or on something else? I couldn't tell from your post. Curiously, groklaw. I know that they're saying another thing, but I