On Apr 14, 12:59 am, Serge Boulay wrote:
> on Gavin's Blog he explains the "joined at the hip with xml".
>
> "So why a new language? Well, we've been designing and building frameworks
> and libraries for Java for ten years, and we know its limitations
> intimately. And we're frustrated. I'm not
On 14/04/2011 8:59 AM, Serge Boulay wrote:
"...But I guess I should mention that the number one technical problem
that we simply can't solve to our satisfaction in Java - or in any
other existing JVM language - is the problem of defining user
interfaces and structured data using a typesafe, hie
on Gavin's Blog he explains the "joined at the hip with xml".
"So why a new language? Well, we've been designing and building frameworks
and libraries for Java for ten years, and we know its limitations
intimately. And we're frustrated. I'm not going to recap all the
frustrations here. (I've liste
Dont forget that RedHat is an among other things an application server
company, and it wasnt that long ago that everything required pages and pages
of XML.
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I'm probably covering some old ground (I gather it's a repeat presentation),
but I thought this was an interesting talk by Cliff Click of Azul Systems -
particularly the end bit about where he sees the division of
responsibilities between application, JVM and OS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL2
The only thing that Ceylon seems to have going for it is somewhat closer
affinity to Java syntax than Scala.
Still Scala's got real momentum and has been shaped by lots of real
world usage. Do I wish it was more C/Java-like in syntax? Absolutely
-- I think it'd be taking over in force if it
2011/4/13 Cédric Beust ♔
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> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Mark Volkmann
> wrote:
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>> On one of Gavin's slides he says:
>>
>> "Java is joined at the hip with XML, and this hurts almost every Java
>> developer almost every day"
>>
>> Really? In what way is Java joined at the hip with XML?
>
On Apr 13, 11:18 am, Moandji Ezana wrote:
> It should be noted that the XML comment comes right after King says that
> "the number one technical problem that we simply can't solve to our
> satisfaction in Java - or in any other existing JVM language - is the
> problem of defining user interfaces a
> I want to prevent jail-breaking on the mobile device.
Can't be done. The modding community are cracking device bootloaders
for breakfast.
> I want to store
> the username/password on the mobile device.
Bad idea. You can store username safely, and use it as salt for a
hashing function on a prom
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Mark Volkmann wrote:
> I think most Java developers go days on end without seeing any
> XML.
>
I see XML fairly regularly in legacy Spring and Hibernate applications and
Maven POMs. And if you're doing Android, you see XML all the time. But at
least there it's wel
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Josh Berry wrote:
> I think it is fair to say that the majority of the Java community is
> joined at the hip with xml. This does seem to be changing.
I don't mind the assertion, although I think it's a little
overemphasized... and realistically, XML isn't the ba
I think it is fair to say that the majority of the Java community is
joined at the hip with xml. This does seem to be changing.
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2011/4/13 Cédric Beust ♔ :
> Another thing that puzzles me about Ceylon is the timing: Gavin says that he
> and his team have been working on it for two years and yet they don't even
> have a prototype to show. Reaching such a stage should take a few months to
> one programmer.
Especially when all
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Mark Volkmann wrote:
> On one of Gavin's slides he says:
>
> "Java is joined at the hip with XML, and this hurts almost every Java
> developer almost every day"
>
> Really? In what way is Java joined at the hip with XML?
>
Yes, I was a bit puzzled by that as well.
2 very good answers there, thanks guys.
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On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Matthew Farwell wrote:
> Groovlets:
>
> runjetty.groovy:
>
> --
> import org.mortbay.jetty.Server
> import org.mortbay.jetty.servlet.*
> import groovy.
Groovlets:
runjetty.groovy:
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import org.mortbay.jetty.Server
import org.mortbay.jetty.servlet.*
import groovy.servlet.*
@Grab(group='org.mortbay.jetty', module='jetty-embedded', version='6.1.14')
def startJetty() {
def jetty = new Server(9090)
def context = new Context(jetty, '/', Con
http://devstonez.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/introducing-the-ceylon-project-gavin-king-presentation-at-qcon-beijing-2011/
slide #15 - no overloading..um
theres virtually no mention of apis...
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I would assume that depends if it is XHTML
On Apr 13, 3:03 pm, Kevin Wright wrote:
> Are you classing HTML as being XML here? :)
>
> On 13 April 2011 15:02, Ricky Clarkson wrote:
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> > Please show me how to create and deploy a web application, using any JVM
> > technology at all, without
Ahh well, in that case then: http://www.playframework.org/
On 13 April 2011 15:05, Ricky Clarkson wrote:
> Nope.
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> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Kevin Wright
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>> Are you classing HTML as being XML h
Nope.
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On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Kevin Wright wrote:
> Are you classing HTML as being XML here? :)
>
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> On 13 April 2011 15:02, Ricky Clarkson wrote:
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>> Please show me how to create and deploy a web application, usi
In a word =>Spring<=
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Are you classing HTML as being XML here? :)
On 13 April 2011 15:02, Ricky Clarkson wrote:
> Please show me how to create and deploy a web application, using any JVM
> technology at all, without generating or writing any XML.
>
> I'm not only asking to be awkward, I genuinely would like to see a
Please show me how to create and deploy a web application, using any JVM
technology at all, without generating or writing any XML.
I'm not only asking to be awkward, I genuinely would like to see an answer
to that.
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If anything, I'd say it's a lot more like Gosu.
I don't rate their chances very highly, many developers who want that
feature set will already have migrated to Scala/Clojure/JRuby and a further
migration to Ceylon will just mean a loss of functionality. The communities
are already established and
Fantom was written off by many (me included) because of the odd decision to
only include generics for built-in types.
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On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Moandji Ezana wrote:
> Doesn't this look a lot like Fantom?
>
> Is JBoss
On one of Gavin's slides he says:
"Java is joined at the hip with XML, and this hurts almost every Java
developer almost every day"
Really? In what way is Java joined at the hip with XML? Just because
some people use Ant and some people using XML for Spring
configuration? I don't see how this is
Doesn't this look a lot like Fantom?
Is JBoss/Red Hat a big enough company to successfully back a new language?
Moandji
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Serge Boulay wrote:
> Another language in the works. Let the Scala vs "Ceylon project" wars
> begin.
>
>
> http://devstonez.wordpress.com/2011
Ceylon solves the null problem, nullable variables are Optional, which
can be abbreviated to T?. However, it's a JVM language, and there are a
reasonable number of ways to get a null out of Java libs.
I expect to see some NullPointerExceptions in Ceylon's bugtracker, when it
has one.
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Another language in the works. Let the Scala vs "Ceylon project" wars begin.
http://devstonez.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/introducing-the-ceylon-project-gavin-king-presentation-at-qcon-beijing-2011/
http://blog.talawah.net/2011/04/gavin-king-unviels-red-hats-top-secret.html
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