Re: [The Java Posse] Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Apple's EBIT is public and its separated up into mac and iOS sales. Looking at net profit and not just earnings, apple's part of the total pie is frankly staggering. If apple lost the PC war, their penalty for being the loser is to be the most profitable computer seller ever. So does that mean

[The Java Posse] Re: Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread Vince O'Sullivan
On May 13, 5:00 pm, Phil wrote: > Most laptop manufacturers > follow the crowd, they build machines similar to, and priced closely, > to those of their competitors (and they all run The One OS to bind > them... erm sorry!). Apple is the geek of the electronics business - > they do what they want,

Re: [The Java Posse] Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:56 PM, phil swenson wrote: > Yeah, think we've been through this before. You don't buy the NPD > group's #s. Happy to revisit my thoughts, can you point me to the NPD study that shows these numbers and discloses how they calculated these numbers? -- Cedric -- You

Re: [The Java Posse] Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread phil swenson
Yeah, think we've been through this before. You don't buy the NPD group's #s. I can find #s showing low mac share or high. It's tough to know what is true. But your Firefox example wasn't a good one. I can't find a survey that has Firefox *BELOW* 20%. 2011/5/14 Cédric Beust ♔ : > > > > > On S

Re: [The Java Posse] Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 11:23 AM, phil swenson wrote: > > iOS is selling in record numbers, MacOS sales are still extremely small > (and > > I'm guessing they will shrink since Apple seems to be slowly focusing > away > > from the Mac line). > > Depends on how you look at it. It seems you view te

Re: [The Java Posse] Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread phil swenson
> iOS is selling in record numbers, MacOS sales are still extremely small (and > I'm guessing they will shrink since Apple seems to be slowly focusing away > from the Mac line). Depends on how you look at it. It seems you view technology as an inevitable commodity so I can see why you like to rel

Re: [The Java Posse] Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread Kevin Wright
2011/5/14 Cédric Beust ♔ > > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Moandji Ezana wrote: > > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Kevin Wright >> wrote: >> >>> If you class tablets as PCs then you're already being flexible with your >>> definitions. >> >> >> Why is a tablet not a PC? >> > > Personally,

Re: [The Java Posse] Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread Moandji Ezana
2011/5/14 Cédric Beust ♔ > iOS is selling in record numbers, MacOS sales are still extremely small I meant that they're selling more Macs than ever before, so Mac OS is breaking its own sales records. On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Moandji Ezana wrote: > > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 5:44 PM,

Re: [The Java Posse] Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Moandji Ezana wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Kevin Wright > wrote: > >> If you class tablets as PCs then you're already being flexible with your >> definitions. > > > Why is a tablet not a PC? > Personally, I think it is, but Apple is trying hard to

Re: [The Java Posse] Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 1:59 AM, Moandji Ezana wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Josh Berry wrote: > >> I think it is the cognitive shift where I still view it as PC versus >> Mac to a large extent. >> > > In OS terms, you could also say: Mac OS is selling in record number, > Windows 7 i

[The Java Posse] Vs: Oracle Proposes Hudson Move to Eclipse Foundation

2011-05-14 Thread Roland Tepp
There's talks and discussions going on about reconciliation in Jenkins community: https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Jenkins+Hudson+Reconciliation+Requirements (and here's the relevant discussion from Jenkins Users group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/jenkinsci-users/cobG

Vs: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread Roland Tepp
laupäev, 14. mai 2011 14:21.00 UTC+3 kirjutas Roland Tepp: > > I'm sorry, but this somehow reminds me of Sun Tzu's The Art of War. > > Oh, and the citation, that should be appropriate for this thread: http://suntzusaid.com/book/8/12 There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: (1

Vs: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread Roland Tepp
I'm sorry, but this somehow reminds me of Sun Tzu's The Art of War. Leading a successful big global company like Apple (or Microsoft or Oracle or IBM) is like waging a war - the ones that come out winners do not think of the short term categories and do not get attached to any particular goals,

Re: [The Java Posse] Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread Moandji Ezana
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Kevin Wright wrote: > If you class tablets as PCs then you're already being flexible with your > definitions. Why is a tablet not a PC? Moandji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to th

Re: [The Java Posse] Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread Moandji Ezana
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Kevin Wright wrote: > You also have to consider *which* market before you can quote share > figures. I don't see so many people running web server farms or HPC > clusters using Apple hardware. Or washing machine microcontrollers, or > dedicated SatNav systems, or

Re: [The Java Posse] Is Apple is winning the PC war?

2011-05-14 Thread Moandji Ezana
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Josh Berry wrote: > I think it is the cognitive shift where I still view it as PC versus > Mac to a large extent. > In OS terms, you could also say: Mac OS is selling in record number, Windows 7 is selling in record numbers, so everybody's winning. :) Moandji -

[The Java Posse] Re: What I Need to Learn Java

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