[The Java Posse] Re: Go as flagship language for Android Dalvik VM

2010-08-17 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
That's a pointless conclusion. Of course its about money, but, in what form? Maybe they think the db/corporate work is going to go mobile in a big way, and Oracle wants to start writing apps for db management in one of the mobile platforms. They prefer android but want to attempt to get some say

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Go as flagship language for Android Dalvik VM

2010-08-17 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/17/10 12:13 , Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: Which is why, for the umpteenth time, Oracle is suing Google based on patents, and not copyright or trademarks. Indeed, in the compliant there is also a copyright thing (it's after all the patents).

[The Java Posse] Re: Go as flagship language for Android Dalvik VM

2010-08-17 Thread Josh Berry
Could the copyright be as simple as stating that they did not satisfy the copyright claims of the JDK so that they do not get to use the patented stuff for free? On Aug 17, 6:24 am, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On

[The Java Posse] Re: Go as flagship language for Android Dalvik VM

2010-08-16 Thread mP
The patents discuss what could best be described not as Java the language but more or less Java the platform the JVM. Using Go instead of *.java still does not change the fact that Android is based on java. It may not be called java but without what java has built in the past its nothing. If nots

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Go as flagship language for Android Dalvik VM

2010-08-16 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/16/10 15:13 , mP wrote: The patents discuss what could best be described not as Java the language but more or less Java the platform the JVM. Using Go instead of *.java still does not change the fact that Android is based on java. It may not

[The Java Posse] Re: Go as flagship language for Android Dalvik VM

2010-08-16 Thread Karsten Silz
On 15 Aug., 22:50, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: Technically it could work - after all iPhone is going on with native code, but the iPhone is a single processor business. Half true: iOS runs on both x86 and ARM natively because the iPhone/ iPad simulator you run on the

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Go as flagship language for Android Dalvik VM

2010-08-16 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/17/10 00:35 , Karsten Silz wrote: (Java) on Mac and iOS. You could argue these are traits of a virtual machine. I want AOP, Cobertura, bytecode instrumentation, etc...! :-) - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave

[The Java Posse] Re: Go as flagship language for Android Dalvik VM

2010-08-15 Thread RogerV
But if the main thrust of Oracle's suit is based on VM patent infringement, perhaps using the Go native code compilers would be the way to go. If Go was enhanced to support dynamic link libraries, then it would still be possible to install a Go runtime once and share it amongst all Android apps

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Go as flagship language for Android Dalvik VM

2010-08-15 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/15/10 21:00 , RogerV wrote: But if the main thrust of Oracle's suit is based on VM patent infringement, perhaps using the Go native code compilers would be the way to go. If Go was enhanced to support dynamic link libraries, then it would

[The Java Posse] Re: Go as flagship language for Android Dalvik VM

2010-08-15 Thread jahid
I think its time for Google to bring their own JVM implementation. They can implement own JVM and make it open source and controlled by community (I mean JSR). That way, they can actually become a real threat to Oracle Java, and will also help Google to keep developing their products on Java,

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Go as flagship language for Android Dalvik VM

2010-08-15 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/15/10 21:58 , Casper Bang wrote: I hope Google picks up the fight and ends up taking down the pathetically broken patent system and destructive lawyers. It would be a surprise move, but I seriously doubt it would be an advantage for them. I

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Go as flagship language for Android Dalvik VM

2010-08-15 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/15/10 21:50 , RogerV wrote: There would be no dependence on VM technology with this approach but the runtime, having sophisticated features such as garbage collected memory management, could still be efficiently shared on a relatively