Could the copyright be as simple as stating that they did not satisfy
the copyright claims of the JDK so that they do not get to use the
patented stuff for free?
On Aug 17, 6:24 am, Fabrizio Giudici
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On 8/17/10 12:13 , Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
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> Which is why, for the umpteenth time, Oracle is suing Google based
> on patents, and not copyright or trademarks.
Indeed, in the compliant there is also a copyright thing (it's after
all the patents)
That's a pointless conclusion. Of course its about money, but, in what
form? Maybe they think the db/corporate work is going to go mobile in
a big way, and Oracle wants to start writing apps for db management
in one of the mobile platforms. They prefer android but want to
attempt to get some say i
Of course its about money. What other possible motive or reward could
Oracle possible hope to achieve. Companies only exist to make money.
Android is not a cleanroom implementation, because there is no
standard to implement. When something is a standard then by definition
that is public and people
I'm virtually positive the copyright infringement thing is just the
usual monkeyhouse method: Throw as much excrement at the wall, see
what sticks. i.e. they threw it in there, because, why not?
Also, it's the same asshats as the SCO case. They have a hard on for
claiming copyright infringement wh
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On 8/17/10 00:35 , Karsten Silz wrote:
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> (Java) on Mac and iOS. You could argue these are traits of a virtual
> machine.
I want AOP, Cobertura, bytecode instrumentation, etc...! :-)
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On 15 Aug., 22:50, Fabrizio Giudici
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> Technically it could work - after all iPhone is going on with native
> code, but the iPhone is a single processor business.
Half true: iOS runs on both x86 and ARM natively because the iPhone/
iPad simulator you run on the Mac doesn't emulate ARM, it e
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On 8/16/10 15:13 , mP wrote:
> The patents discuss what could best be described not as Java the
> language but more or less Java the platform the JVM. Using "Go"
> instead of "*.java" still does not change the fact that Android is
> based on java. It
The patents discuss what could best be described not as Java the
language but more or less Java the platform the JVM. Using "Go"
instead of "*.java" still does not change the fact that Android is
based on java. It may not be called java but without what java has
built in the past its nothing. If no
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On 8/15/10 21:50 , RogerV wrote:
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> There would be no dependence on VM technology with this approach
> but the runtime, having sophisticated features such as garbage
> collected memory management, could still be efficiently shared on a
> relatively c
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On 8/15/10 21:58 , Casper Bang wrote:
> I hope Google picks up the fight and ends up taking down the
> pathetically broken patent system and destructive lawyers.
It would be a surprise move, but I seriously doubt it would be an
advantage for them. I t
I hope Google picks up the fight and ends up taking down the
pathetically broken patent system and destructive lawyers. The Mono
impl of C# can easily deal with the issue btw. since they can do AOT
which is, ironically, also the only way to do things on the iPhone.
On Aug 15, 9:35 pm, B Smith-Man
Okay, then:
1) Switch to Go as Android platform flagship language
2) Stick with the Go ARM native code compiler approach
3) Enhance Go to support versionable dynamic link libraries (similar
to Adobe Flash Player Runtime Shared Libraries feature)
The last item means that each Go app would not ne
On Aug 15, 2:13 pm, Fabrizio Giudici
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> I think that you can pretty much develop in Android with either
> language you wish. The point is which language is most palatable for
> developers. If Android decided to invest in a VM and use Java, this
> means that they think both things are strateg
I think its time for Google to bring their own JVM implementation.
They can implement own JVM and make it open source and controlled by
community (I mean JSR). That way, they can actually become a real
threat to Oracle Java, and will also help Google to keep developing
their products on Java, while
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On 8/15/10 21:00 , RogerV wrote:
> But if the main thrust of Oracle's suit is based on VM patent
> infringement, perhaps using the Go native code compilers would be
> the way to go. If Go was enhanced to support dynamic link
> libraries, then it would
But if the main thrust of Oracle's suit is based on VM patent
infringement, perhaps using the Go native code compilers would be the
way to go. If Go was enhanced to support dynamic link libraries, then
it would still be possible to install a Go runtime once and share it
amongst all Android apps wri
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